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for the masses headline additionally

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found

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and is now in the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged

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change the game game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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i need your help to get to the year

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you are listening to fate to flag with

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good evening

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fade to block

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for the

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messes i am and today's thursday

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thursday today's monday don't freak out

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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california

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and i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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is paid to black for kjcr the game

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changer network and kgra

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the planets i'm your host jimmy church

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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how you doing it's monday

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night one is peter davenport

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the national ufo reporting center new

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tomorrow night it's alejandra rojas

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right here on ttsa

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disclosure that will be tomorrow night

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is uh the ufo congress yeah

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congress is this week kicking off

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tomorrow night wednesday night

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of pyramids on mars is here guitar

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all that stuff with kevin estrella

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on fade to black now uh peter

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davenport tomorrow night

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alejandro rojas wednesday night kevin

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einstein the crystalskull.com

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and go and get yourself your very own

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crystal skull she has

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the best all imprinted by einstein

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the ancient crystal skull of knowledge

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that's right einstein the crystal

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skull.com promo code jimmy

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hashtag ftb is the sandbox hashtag

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out there okay let's get to the breaking

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crazy saudi arabia

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denver will go from experiencing record

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yeah it's crazy world isn't it all right

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let's get this show cracking happy

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birthday to today

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toby jones toby jones today is

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i will survive jazz great and i

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couldn't believe this jazz

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great saxophonist sonny rollins

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the greatest living improviser and he is

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the greatest also today the pretenders

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chrissy hind is 69 years old

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absolutely incredible our dead guy's

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birthday today is easy

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e moment of silence please 1993 to 1995

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died at the age of 30.

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years old right not so fast easy

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had a fake driver's license that's right

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30. rapper

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songwriter record producer and rap mogul

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who propelled west coast rap

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and gangsta rap by leading the group nwa

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ruthless records through to a new

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and is now ranked among the greatest and

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most influential albums

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in history on february 24 1995

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he was admitted to the cedar sinai

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medical center in los

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angeles with a violent cough on march

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26 1995

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eze died from aids-induced pneumonia

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one month after his diagnosis

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now i've talked about this before on the

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air and

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i was with him right before this

298
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happened i mean like days

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i and it still blows my mind

300
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so just i i'll never forget it because i

301
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came home

302
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turned on the news easy died today of h

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i was like wait a minute i was just

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what crazy crazy

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nice guy too it was estimated that he

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was worth about 50 million dollars

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uh when he died on this day in history

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otd

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1996 more rap news

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tupac shakur shot several times in las

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vegas nevada after attempting the mic

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after attending the mike tyson bruce

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selden heavyweight fight at the mgm

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grand he died in a hospital several days

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later

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here's your fader fact check this out

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another good one

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it's a good one the first

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mcdonald's drive-thru

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was created in 1975 in sierra vista

321
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arizona and it was near a military

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installation

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it was created to serve military members

324
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who were not permitted to get out of

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their cars

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while driving off base and wearing

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fatigues

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yeah and that is your fader fact all

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right

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tonight kicking off ufo week night one

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we have

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the one and only peter davenport of the

333
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national ufo reporting center tomorrow

334
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night

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it's alejandra rojas he's good to be

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here

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it's alejandro on ttsa

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wednesday night kevin estrella of

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pyramids on mars

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is here thursday night's another fader

341
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night with

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open lines all night long now

343
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i know right i'm talking to tb

344
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tv on twitter you had it right when they

345
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first reported on navalny j church radio

346
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you said putin

347
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the only question about putin's

348
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involvement ever is

349
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polonium or nerve agent i know

350
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rivermooncoffee.com

351
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that is the best coffee in the world

352
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rivermooncoffee.com use the promo code

353
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f2b blend 15

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off of your order today

355
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it's the best coffee in the world and if

356
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i ever told you guys the story about

357
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river moon coffee about how they how

358
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they

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make this coffee one of these days we

360
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need to get

361
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uh jeff and juanita back on the show

362
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because their story and their dedication

363
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um uh on how they got into coffee and

364
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why they got into coffee they know

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coffee i thought i knew coffee

366
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but uh then you understand why

367
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it tastes like it does so unique

368
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so unique river moon coffee.com faded

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black blend

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weather control

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weekend

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it uh it got up to

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at our house 118 degrees

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now all around us

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glendale pasadena van nuys uh

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of course burbank studio city the valley

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record high temperatures like they've

378
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never been seen

379
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and this is what is weird we just came

380
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off of

381
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uh it was about a month ago got up to

382
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about 105.

383
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we were complaining and that lasted

384
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about a week by the way

385
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and it was hot you know and everybody's

386
00:19:03,430 --> 00:19:01,760
making those comments you know wow this

387
00:19:06,549 --> 00:19:03,440
is las vegas hot this is

388
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phoenix hot and it's hot and

389
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then everything chilled out and

390
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literally and we we went through about a

391
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month

392
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of of 90 which is okay because that

393
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means you know

394
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70 degrees at night and it cools off at

395
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sunset and

396
00:19:24,310 --> 00:19:22,080
it makes the evenings really really nice

397
00:19:27,830 --> 00:19:24,320
it's like perfect weather really

398
00:19:30,630 --> 00:19:27,840
but it was like wednesday

399
00:19:31,510 --> 00:19:30,640
and i turned to read and i said have you

400
00:19:34,789 --> 00:19:31,520
seen

401
00:19:36,070 --> 00:19:34,799
the weather right they are predicting

402
00:19:38,950 --> 00:19:36,080
that this weekend's gonna be

403
00:19:40,630 --> 00:19:38,960
the hottest weekend in in in years maybe

404
00:19:43,750 --> 00:19:40,640
100 years

405
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like it's gonna last for three days

406
00:19:49,990 --> 00:19:47,440
and it was like to the minute

407
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my memory is thursday night everything

408
00:19:54,630 --> 00:19:50,880
cool

409
00:19:57,750 --> 00:19:54,640
right all right we do fade to black

410
00:20:01,669 --> 00:19:57,760
all right okay layered scranton

411
00:20:03,909 --> 00:20:01,679
everything's cool woke up friday morning

412
00:20:05,110 --> 00:20:03,919
and we had to get started on the h

413
00:20:08,149 --> 00:20:05,120
factor

414
00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:08,159
and friday morning like 10 o'clock in

415
00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:09,600
the morning

416
00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:12,720
it's 100 degrees it was like what

417
00:20:17,909 --> 00:20:15,520
i mean like hot and it just got hotter

418
00:20:20,230 --> 00:20:17,919
and hotter and hotter to the point where

419
00:20:21,350 --> 00:20:20,240
now and i'm talking about it was so hot

420
00:20:25,590 --> 00:20:21,360
here

421
00:20:29,750 --> 00:20:25,600
10 o'clock at night 100 degrees okay

422
00:20:33,669 --> 00:20:29,760
that phoenix las vegas thing

423
00:20:41,110 --> 00:20:37,830
i had thought to myself

424
00:20:43,510 --> 00:20:41,120
this is crazy but

425
00:20:44,789 --> 00:20:43,520
it happened like overnight it started

426
00:20:47,909 --> 00:20:44,799
overnight and now it's

427
00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:47,919
ended today i mean like three days in

428
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:49,440
and out

429
00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:51,679
and and i started thinking about this

430
00:20:59,830 --> 00:20:52,720
weather control

431
00:21:00,870 --> 00:20:59,840
for a lot of different reasons but it's

432
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:00,880
not

433
00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:04,080
just burbank

434
00:21:09,029 --> 00:21:07,280
then i started to see the news coming

435
00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:09,039
out of denver which i spoke about

436
00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:11,600
earlier and what they are going through

437
00:21:15,510 --> 00:21:14,320
today you know going from 100 degrees to

438
00:21:19,350 --> 00:21:15,520
snow

439
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:19,360
overnight that just doesn't make any

440
00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:20,080
sense

441
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:22,000
maybe it's happened in the past i've

442
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:23,520
never really heard it

443
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:26,400
but it's going on here and in the middle

444
00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:27,200
of the country

445
00:21:33,029 --> 00:21:30,320
in denver and then during

446
00:21:33,830 --> 00:21:33,039
all of this where we are having these

447
00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:33,840
record

448
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:38,720
breaking you know 118 120 122 degree

449
00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:42,480
days i mean hot

450
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:45,840
that this weekend

451
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:49,440
is the or or this week is

452
00:21:57,029 --> 00:21:53,280
record-setting cold temperatures

453
00:22:00,549 --> 00:21:57,039
at the same time

454
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:00,559
in the same country

455
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:03,600
now i don't want to be i

456
00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:05,600
you don't even have it's not a

457
00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:07,280
conspiracy thing

458
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:10,159
you just have to sit back and logically

459
00:22:14,950 --> 00:22:11,280
think about

460
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:14,960
what is going on i have talked about it

461
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:16,320
just doesn't make any sense

462
00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:20,720
now either we are heating up

463
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:24,080
or we're cooling down but heating up

464
00:22:31,110 --> 00:22:27,600
and cooling down in the same city

465
00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:31,120
in the same country at the same

466
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:40,549
weather control i brought up

467
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:44,480
and it was uh six years ago and this is

468
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:48,240
this is conspiracy i brought up

469
00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:50,799
i go and i'm doing the news here on fade

470
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:54,880
to block

471
00:23:03,270 --> 00:22:58,320
i'm reading our local news and i see

472
00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:03,280
in the local newspaper here

473
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:05,600
one of the valley newspapers i see this

474
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:06,640
article

475
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:10,400
a funding approved for weather control

476
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:11,520
stations

477
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:16,080
seven of them in the city of burbank

478
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:23,510
budgets approved weather control so the

479
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:24,320
article

480
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:33,830
seven cloud seating stations

481
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:37,360
being placed in the foothills of burbank

482
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:40,400
that are going to seed the clouds

483
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:43,679
for rain when needed

484
00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:46,960
and the budget for the chemicals to go

485
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:48,000
into these seven

486
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:51,039
stations for the year was

487
00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:53,520
five hundred thousand dollars now when i

488
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:54,880
read the article

489
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:56,159
i thought five hundred thousand dollars

490
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:57,919
is kind of cheap what you know and what

491
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:59,520
is that you know so obviously it's not

492
00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:00,799
that elaborate

493
00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:03,760
the seating stations are already there

494
00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:05,360
which i didn't know about

495
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:07,279
and this is just for the chemicals to go

496
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:09,840
into these seven pods

497
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:12,320
and so i read the article and i was

498
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:13,440
pretty stunned

499
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:16,720
and at the time we were

500
00:24:20,110 --> 00:24:19,120
going through what we're going through

501
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:20,120
now these

502
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:23,360
crazy things uh

503
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:27,600
these swings in in weather

504
00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:29,600
and i didn't understand it cloudy day

505
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:30,640
clear day

506
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:33,840
weird

507
00:24:39,909 --> 00:24:37,919
about it and then i read the article

508
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:39,919
and you're like well that makes a lot of

509
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:41,039
sense

510
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:43,120
here in southern california we have gone

511
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,559
through these long runs of drought

512
00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:48,720
and then suddenly it it it rains but

513
00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:50,000
when i say long runs

514
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:53,279
five years you know not not not

515
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:55,760
not a summer or not a winter but we we

516
00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:56,480
go through

517
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:00,400
sometimes years of no rain not a drop

518
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:04,159
okay so but this is the conspiracy part

519
00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:07,440
so i read the article and

520
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:10,799
i post it i read the article

521
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:14,240
i write up a story and i read it on the

522
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:16,080
air

523
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:19,440
and it was about a week later and i got

524
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:22,720
two or three

525
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:25,360
emails from different people going i'm

526
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:26,400
we're trying to

527
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:29,200
cite the source of the article that you

528
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:30,240
had quoted from

529
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:32,559
on the air about the weather control i

530
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:34,000
said oh yeah no problem i'll send you

531
00:25:39,269 --> 00:25:34,559
the link

532
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:39,279
i go to the page article's gone

533
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:42,559
it's gone i then

534
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:45,679
searched it's not

535
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:49,840
there right on any at any media

536
00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:53,679
on any outlet and i thought to myself

537
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:56,000
this is a public information situation

538
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:58,240
we're talking about public funds five

539
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:00,159
hundred thousand dollars to be paid

540
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:04,480
uh into for by the city of burbank in

541
00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:05,120
this

542
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:08,240
weather control stations um in the

543
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:09,039
foothills

544
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:10,799
of the mountains san gabriel mountains

545
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:12,240
san fernando mountains and

546
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:13,840
in the city of burbank half as san

547
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:15,279
fernando half as

548
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:17,760
san gabriel it depends on what side of

549
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:19,279
the mountains you are on but anyway that

550
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:20,799
doesn't matter

551
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:24,000
the articles disappeared

552
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:26,400
i couldn't find that and i still can't

553
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:28,159
and i have not

554
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:30,720
from time to time every six months or so

555
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:33,200
i'll go and do a general search on this

556
00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:35,840
to see if there's anything else up there

557
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:38,080
it doesn't exist

558
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:42,880
so i i was convinced at that time

559
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:44,960
and this isn't a dane wiggington

560
00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:46,720
chemtrails

561
00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:50,720
uh cloud seeding from airplanes and

562
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:52,720
things and aluminum in the air and

563
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:53,840
particulates

564
00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:56,480
some of this is about these are fixed

565
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:57,520
stations

566
00:27:00,710 --> 00:27:00,080
on the side of the mountain here behind

567
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:00,720
our

568
00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:04,080
home in studio so

569
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:05,600
what do we do with that well it

570
00:27:09,909 --> 00:27:07,279
convinced me that

571
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:09,919
weather manipulation is real the weather

572
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:12,159
manipulation in the san fernando valley

573
00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:14,000
is real it's something that is there and

574
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:16,159
it is something that is budgeted

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and one thing was leaked to the public

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and was presented to the public and then

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removed

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from the internet

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it's got to be going on all over the

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place this isn't some isolated situation

581
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in burbank

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and going through what we did this

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weekend now today

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it's nice outside same thing in denver

585
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going on right now

586
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yesterday rita and i went over to

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uh rita's brother's home it's their 35th

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wedding anniversary

589
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and we went out to uh have a

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you know a a get-together or dinner uh

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it was maybe a half dozen of us

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10 of us we had to eat dinner inside we

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couldn't eat out

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by the pool which was our plan it was

595
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too hot

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we ate dinner inside with the air

597
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conditioning

598
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went outside and at about 10 o'clock

599
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last night a breeze came through

600
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and suddenly it was nice today

601
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:18,159
it was like yesterday in the last three

602
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:20,799
days didn't even happen

603
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:23,600
there's something going on you talked to

604
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the people in denver

605
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that went from 100 denver 101 degrees on

606
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saturday 94 degrees today and it's gonna

607
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snow

608
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tonight i'm just like

609
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there you go weather control

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all right tonight i'm your host jimmy

611
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church

612
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this is fade to black tonight peter

613
00:28:49,830 --> 00:28:48,799
davenport is here from the national ufo

614
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reporting center

615
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peter's been doing this for such a long

616
00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:53,360
time i'm a big fan of his

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we've all been listening to him on coast

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to coast for years

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he's back with us he hasn't been out

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with us for like five years i didn't

621
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even realize that

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done coast with him oh i'll be doing

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coast this weekend everybody saturday

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night too as well

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i'll be right back with peter davenport

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what's up i'm chris what up this is

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all right welcome back i'm your host

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jimmy church

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this is fade to black and the game gra

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the planet

714
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:33,760
it's ufo week this week on fade to black

715
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:35,760
tonight peter davenport tomorrow night

716
00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:38,320
alejandro rojas

717
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wednesday night kevin estrella is going

718
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to be here thursday night is fader night

719
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:45,120
with open lines all night long tonight

720
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:47,919
our guest is peter davenport and we are

721
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:50,000
going to discuss the recent new fork

722
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:52,080
ufo reports that are making headlines

723
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:53,600
around the world we're going to discuss

724
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:54,960
the history

725
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:57,120
of new fork and we're going to also look

726
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:58,399
at some very

727
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:01,279
interesting cases that peter has

728
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:03,039
reported on over the years

729
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:05,679
he has been the director of the national

730
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:07,679
ufo reporting center since

731
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:11,520
check this 1994. in addition to being

732
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:12,960
the director of the national

733
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:15,760
ufo reporting center peter served as the

734
00:34:19,829 --> 00:34:17,520
director of investigations for the

735
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:19,839
washington chapter of the mutual ufo

736
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:21,359
network mufon

737
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:23,440
peter has had an active interest in the

738
00:34:29,349 --> 00:34:26,399
ufo phenomenon from his early boyhood

739
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:29,359
his he experienced his first ufo

740
00:34:32,829 --> 00:34:30,320
sighting over the st

741
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:32,839
louis municipal airport in the summer of

742
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:34,560
1954.

743
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:37,280
and he investigated his first ufo case

744
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:39,679
during the summer of 1965

745
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:42,800
in exeter new hampshire peter has been a

746
00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:44,560
witness to several anomalous

747
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:47,440
events possibly ufo related including a

748
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:48,000
dramatic

749
00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:49,679
sighting over baja california in

750
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:51,440
february of 1990

751
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:53,440
and several nighttime sightings over

752
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:56,159
washington state during 1992.

753
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:58,480
he received his bachelor's degrees from

754
00:35:01,030 --> 00:35:00,079
stanford university right here in

755
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:01,040
california

756
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:03,359
his graduate education and ms degree

757
00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:05,520
from the university of washington in

758
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:06,560
seattle

759
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:08,960
as well as an mba degree in finance and

760
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:11,040
international business from the graduate

761
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:12,560
school of business

762
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:15,839
and his website of course is newfork.org

763
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:16,400
the

764
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:18,640
links are over at jimmychurchradio.com

765
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:20,000
i'd like to welcome back

766
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:21,520
to fade to black the one and only peter

767
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:23,760
davenport peter how are you

768
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:26,240
i'm doing well and how nice how exciting

769
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:28,000
to be back with jimmy church on

770
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:30,960
down the air this i'm looking forward to

771
00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:31,359
this

772
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:33,280
yeah i'm i'm really looking forward to

773
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:35,359
uh peter and

774
00:35:42,630 --> 00:35:39,599
myself and so many millions of people

775
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:42,640
have looked to you uh for your reporting

776
00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:43,119
and

777
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,880
at uh coast to coast am for so many

778
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:50,640
years i want to thank you for that

779
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:53,520
it's a lot of hard work and certainly i

780
00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:54,720
know that you've had your

781
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:57,280
ups and downs with it too as well i

782
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:59,200
remember uh

783
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:00,960
you you're probably going to laugh now i

784
00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:02,800
remember when you were getting crank

785
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:03,440
called

786
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:06,480
you remember that remember that era

787
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:09,200
and uh the frustr that was horrible and

788
00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:10,240
the frustration

789
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:13,119
because you're just trying to do uh you

790
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:14,880
know a service

791
00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:17,440
and and people disrupting it but you

792
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:18,320
know what there's

793
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:19,920
always somebody out there isn't there

794
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:21,359
peter there

795
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:24,400
is it's sad it's it's a

796
00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:26,400
sad statement about the state of the

797
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:27,920
united states

798
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:31,200
i i took between i can tell you the date

799
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:33,520
when the prank call started it was the

800
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:36,960
27th of august 2017

801
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:40,240
and i've taken probably

802
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:44,079
60 000 crank calls since then oh that is

803
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:47,359
crazy on some days it's

804
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:50,960
tapered off fortunately but some days

805
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:54,000
typically between 80 and 95 percent

806
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:57,599
of the calls were prank calls from young

807
00:37:02,230 --> 00:37:00,720
rude impudent american kids yeah and you

808
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:02,240
know and the thing is

809
00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:04,480
is you have to take the calls because

810
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:07,119
the next call could be the one

811
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:10,240
right and you just don't know yeah

812
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:12,960
yeah uh trying to reason with these kids

813
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:19,990
it's highly unsettling to me yeah i know

814
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:22,880
i know i know and and i'm a dad

815
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:26,320
and i totally get it man i really do

816
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:28,960
and and here's the thing here's the

817
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:30,160
thing peter

818
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:32,960
is that all of us and this includes

819
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:33,680
myself

820
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:35,760
and everybody that's listening to this

821
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:37,040
show tonight and

822
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:40,320
over a coast too as well is that

823
00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:43,760
something personal has brought them

824
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:46,720
into this community and they are on a

825
00:37:49,829 --> 00:37:48,000
quest for answers

826
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:49,839
and for truth and they want to

827
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:52,160
communicate and meet others

828
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:55,280
we've all got our stories don't we

829
00:38:02,230 --> 00:37:59,119
and we sure do yeah and you you

830
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:02,240
i want you to go let's let's go back

831
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:05,280
uh to uh your first sighting that you

832
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:06,880
had when when you were a kid

833
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:09,839
because i think that's the one that that

834
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:10,800
always

835
00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:13,839
you know separates from everything else

836
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:15,440
it's the one that you probably

837
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:17,680
remember the most take us back what

838
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:18,640
happened

839
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:22,880
yeah well it was i believe 1954

840
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:26,079
although i'm not absolutely sure of the

841
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:29,599
of the year i say 1954 because

842
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:32,320
i was in a 53 studebaker and we had just

843
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:38,630
and my father who worked at the st louis

844
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:40,320
airport lambert field

845
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:43,520
had to work one evening and

846
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:46,079
the four of us my father mother my older

847
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:47,680
brother and i

848
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:49,839
drove out to the airport we dropped my

849
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:51,599
father off on the north side of the

850
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:52,960
airport

851
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:54,960
the three of us drove around to the

852
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:56,560
south side

853
00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:00,000
to attend a drive-in theater a movie at

854
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:02,240
a drive-in theater airway heights

855
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:05,200
movie theater it was very popular back

856
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:07,440
in the 50s

857
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:09,920
and while we were watching a movie it

858
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:10,640
was dark

859
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:13,280
it was late at night this is about july

860
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:14,079
or august

861
00:39:19,670 --> 00:39:18,720
of 1954 a disturbance started brewing in

862
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:19,680
the theater

863
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:21,599
we didn't know what was going on whether

864
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:24,240
it was a fight or a fire or

865
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:27,599
some kind of emergency situation

866
00:39:32,550 --> 00:39:29,839
and people were walking in front of our

867
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:32,560
car looking up to my right

868
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:34,720
i look out the right hand passenger

869
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:36,240
window

870
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:38,640
and there was the most crazy thing i've

871
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:40,000
ever seen in my life

872
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:43,119
it was the shape of a

873
00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:46,160
english rugby ball sort of generally the

874
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:47,440
shape of a

875
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:50,560
american football but with blunt ends it

876
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:52,000
was blood red

877
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:53,839
and it was so bright you didn't want to

878
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:56,960
look at it and

879
00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:59,119
to provide a little background my father

880
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:01,440
worked in the airline industry for 41

881
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:03,359
years

882
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:06,720
and in the course of his employment i

883
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:08,480
picked up a great deal of knowledge

884
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:10,160
about aircraft i

885
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:13,359
as a kid i prided myself to be able to

886
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:17,920
spot and identify any aircraft

887
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:21,520
and i knew that was not a terrestrial

888
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:22,880
aircraft

889
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:25,280
i'm not sure i'd ever heard the term ufo

890
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:26,640
by that point

891
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:29,680
though and suddenly

892
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:33,040
after just a few seconds of hovering

893
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:35,839
uh off to our right it accelerated it

894
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:37,280
shot up in the sky it

895
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:40,160
dropped down again and disappeared

896
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,119
behind mcdonald aircraft corporation

897
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:45,599
i don't think i saw that object for more

898
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:47,680
than 10 seconds jimmy

899
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:50,880
and it determined the future that my

900
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:52,960
life would take the future path i would

901
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:54,000
take

902
00:41:01,750 --> 00:40:58,640
it was a very profound event in my life

903
00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:01,760
what did your dad have to say about it

904
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:04,240
well he was a little upset by it he it

905
00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:05,280
turns out that

906
00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:08,240
he had finished work he was in the

907
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:10,160
control tower which was on the north

908
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:13,359
side of the airport back in those days

909
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:15,680
and it was the first thing out of his

910
00:41:20,309 --> 00:41:17,280
mouth when we picked him up

911
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:20,319
he was babbling about it

912
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:23,119
and we talked about it as a family all

913
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:23,760
the way home

914
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:28,240
five miles home and

915
00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:31,760
after that one experience he did not

916
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:35,440
care to talk about ufos and

917
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:37,359
he saw it with a binocular set of

918
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:38,560
binoculars

919
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:41,599
as did all the men in the tower with him

920
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:44,480
and they couldn't figure out what it was

921
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:45,359
so

922
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:47,680
it was not a terrestrial aircraft of

923
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:48,960
that i'm quite

924
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:52,800
certain there's one uh manic event

925
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:55,760
yeah and you bring up you bring up one

926
00:42:01,349 --> 00:41:58,240
of the most solid points

927
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:01,359
that we men bring up

928
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:03,119
constantly i can't say the same thing

929
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:04,480
for women

930
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:08,160
but men when we are when we are young

931
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:10,240
when we're boys

932
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:13,520
we take pride in knowing our

933
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:16,960
aircraft right yeah it's just the way

934
00:42:21,030 --> 00:42:18,480
that it is

935
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:21,040
and and it you know it's books it's

936
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:23,359
magazines it's getting excited when you

937
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:25,680
see one in person and flying over a head

938
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:26,880
oh that's a

939
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:29,040
blah blah blah and it doesn't matter if

940
00:42:34,990 --> 00:42:31,440
it's airlines you know commercial

941
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:35,000
uh passenger jets air force uh

942
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:39,599
helicopters rock we take pride in that

943
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:41,760
and when we see something that isn't

944
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:43,280
part of the inventory

945
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:46,720
in our brain that is when we take

946
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,960
note right we know what we can take off

947
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:50,880
the checklist immediately

948
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:53,280
and it's something that is part of a

949
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:54,400
boy's dna

950
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:57,680
isn't it yeah you've summarized it

951
00:43:01,349 --> 00:43:00,800
really well i to this day if i'm out

952
00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:01,359
walking

953
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:03,280
or outdoors for any reason and an

954
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:05,440
airplane passes overhead

955
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:07,760
it's almost irresistible to stop what

956
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:08,640
i'm doing

957
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:10,720
and look up and try to identify the

958
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:12,079
plane or the

959
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:15,280
carrier that's flying it it's it's

960
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:15,839
almost

961
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:18,400
organic i agree with your assessment yes

962
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:18,880
and

963
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:25,520
too right i think i i think i can outdo

964
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:26,400
you peter

965
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:29,680
right it's part of our dna it's what we

966
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:30,800
do

967
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:34,000
and and that's when when it comes to

968
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:36,240
ufo sightings and seeing something in

969
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:37,440
the air

970
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:40,800
uh that you can't explain that

971
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:43,760
is we have to i i think that that

972
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:47,440
testimony that kind of eyewitness report

973
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:50,400
is is just as valid as anything else out

974
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:52,800
there because we know what it's not

975
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:59,109
yeah i agree it's just like cars you see

976
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:00,960
a fancy car in the road

977
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:03,359
you gotta look at it but you gotta try

978
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:04,480
to identify it

979
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:07,200
that's exactly the way i was even at the

980
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:08,000
age of

981
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:10,640
six and a half years that's that was my

982
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:12,000
nature

983
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:16,800
now when when when when 1995

984
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:21,040
came along and the idea for new fork

985
00:44:26,030 --> 00:44:22,800
that's one thing okay we're going to

986
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:26,040
discuss that but by the time

987
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:28,960
1995 came around

988
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:32,400
were you just full on was it mufon

989
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:34,720
was it research was it investigating was

990
00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:36,640
it the books and the videos and the

991
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:38,079
documentaries

992
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:41,200
uh were you fully engaged in the ufo

993
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:42,800
phenomenon

994
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:45,599
yeah i was director of investigations

995
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:47,440
for as you mentioned during

996
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:50,880
your very nice introduction of me i was

997
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:53,680
director of investigations for the

998
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:57,200
washington state chapter of mufon

999
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:01,040
from 1993 to 95

1000
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:04,079
and i was

1001
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:06,400
keenly interested though in the ufo

1002
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:07,680
phenomenon

1003
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:11,200
even back in the 50s and 60s again

1004
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:13,440
after that sighting of that red object

1005
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:14,400
over the

1006
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:17,760
st louis airport i was hooked

1007
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:20,160
and the first book i had was anatomy of

1008
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:23,200
a phenomenon by jacques wallach

1009
00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:25,440
father recognized my interest in the

1010
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:27,520
subject of ufos

1011
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:30,240
and he bought he saw a copy of that on

1012
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:30,720
the

1013
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:34,000
bookshelf and he bought it and i just

1014
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:38,240
consumed it in a matter of a couple days

1015
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:43,040
but it's a an all-encompassing

1016
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:46,720
uh all-absorbing passion i've i'm afraid

1017
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:47,760
with me

1018
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:50,480
and until the question of what these

1019
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:51,520
ufos are

1020
00:46:00,790 --> 00:45:57,349
can we talk about jack valet for a

1021
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:00,800
second uh absolutely jacques

1022
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:03,440
is going to be my guest i'm leaking this

1023
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:04,240
out now

1024
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:07,520
uh but he's going to be my guest this

1025
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:10,880
saturday on coast to coast and jacques

1026
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:14,160
a lot like yourself and others

1027
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,640
that i've had so much respect for over

1028
00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:18,480
the years that you know i've been into

1029
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:20,720
this now for 40 years myself

1030
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:23,760
that i'm able to interview and

1031
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:28,000
jacques valet for for this community has

1032
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:31,680
been a game changer and when you go

1033
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:34,400
and you're reading jacques books versus

1034
00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:36,400
what people are seeing in the air

1035
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:39,680
in the skies and like yourself right the

1036
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:41,040
things that you are seeing too

1037
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:45,760
as well um jacques seems to me

1038
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,079
i've said this to him by the way peter

1039
00:46:54,829 --> 00:46:50,640
seems to me that he knows something

1040
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:54,839
there is something there about jacques

1041
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:58,560
that uh is is a confirmation of things

1042
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:01,440
but it may not be what we think it is

1043
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:07,109
it's quite possible i i would love to

1044
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:08,319
meet him someday and

1045
00:47:13,030 --> 00:47:11,599
sit down and chat i'm quite surprised

1046
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:13,040
that he has

1047
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:15,599
more or less abandoned the et theory

1048
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:16,160
because

1049
00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:18,480
from my vantage point after having

1050
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:20,079
accumulated

1051
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:22,079
somewhere between a quarter million and

1052
00:47:27,829 --> 00:47:24,079
a half a million reports

1053
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:27,839
eyewitness reports it seems

1054
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:30,480
logical to me to conclude that we are

1055
00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:32,960
dealing with intelligent creatures

1056
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:35,599
who built very technologically

1057
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:37,680
sophisticated craft

1058
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:39,680
and they're visiting us on a regular

1059
00:47:43,349 --> 00:47:42,319
basis jacques seems to have migrated

1060
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:43,359
from that

1061
00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:46,240
original position to something i haven't

1062
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:48,400
read all of his books but

1063
00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:50,480
he seems to be taking a different

1064
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:52,559
approach to the problem than though

1065
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:55,680
well i think that his

1066
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:58,480
suggestions and i want to stay on

1067
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:00,319
exactly your point

1068
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:03,040
okay because you make a a great point

1069
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:04,000
here

1070
00:48:11,630 --> 00:48:08,400
is that jacques is definitely

1071
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:11,640
leaning towards an um an

1072
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:14,800
interdimensional phenomenon

1073
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:18,079
that it may not be as physical as

1074
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:22,319
we think but this is this is my point

1075
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:24,960
he there must be thousands of different

1076
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:25,920
civilizations

1077
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:29,200
visiting this planet it's not just one

1078
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:33,280
craft or or et from one planet or one

1079
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:34,240
star system

1080
00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:37,040
there are trillions of those so there

1081
00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:38,079
might there must be

1082
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:41,200
thousands of so jacques

1083
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:44,720
jacques view is jacques experience

1084
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:49,040
and jock's research of just one type

1085
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:52,720
there's so many peter you've you've done

1086
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:56,240
uh report after report after report of

1087
00:49:02,870 --> 00:48:59,680
craft that don't resemble each other

1088
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:02,880
right i mean it's it's it's it's one of

1089
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:04,000
those things where

1090
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:06,319
it's got to be thousands of different

1091
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:08,319
civilizations right

1092
00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:11,119
yeah i think in the final analysis when

1093
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:12,400
we know

1094
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:14,880
everything about our galaxy and realize

1095
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:16,000
how ubiquitous

1096
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:19,280
life may be we will realize that we're

1097
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:20,880
dealing with

1098
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:23,440
millions of centers of not just life but

1099
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:26,559
of intelligent life

1100
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:28,960
that's my suspicion it's just a numbers

1101
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:29,680
game

1102
00:49:35,190 --> 00:49:33,280
yeah yeah why i keep working hoping that

1103
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:35,200
one of these reports will give me the

1104
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:37,200
answer to that question

1105
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:39,520
and when we come back after the break i

1106
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:40,720
do want to talk about

1107
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:42,880
uh specifically what's going on this

1108
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:45,280
year and how the reports have changed

1109
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:46,640
over the years

1110
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:49,920
but now now let's go back to 1995.

1111
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:53,040
um was the creation of

1112
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:56,880
of new fork out of uh national

1113
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:58,720
ufo reporting center was that out of

1114
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:01,040
necessity

1115
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:04,400
well i actually did not found it and

1116
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:06,559
it was a gentleman whose name was robert

1117
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:08,000
j gribble

1118
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:10,720
who was a member of the board on mufon

1119
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:11,520
who

1120
00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:14,160
founded the national ufo reporting

1121
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:17,440
center in october of 74.

1122
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:20,480
and he argued that what we needed was a

1123
00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:23,520
facility where we could draw all

1124
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:26,240
or most of the reports to one facility

1125
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:27,200
where

1126
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:29,680
we could collect the data preserve the

1127
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:30,240
data

1128
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:36,079
reports and that was the beginning of

1129
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:36,960
the national

1130
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:40,400
ufo reporting center ironically

1131
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:42,240
and i've often wondered about this jimmy

1132
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:44,160
i arrived in seattle

1133
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:47,200
just the month before he created the

1134
00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:50,000
bob created the national ufo reporting

1135
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:50,720
center

1136
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:52,400
i've often wondered whether there is

1137
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:55,839
some kind of significant

1138
00:51:03,349 --> 00:50:59,680
significance to that fact but

1139
00:51:06,829 --> 00:51:03,359
he ran it and he ran it marvelously well

1140
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:06,839
for 20 years and one night in july of

1141
00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:09,119
1994 i was talking to

1142
00:51:13,349 --> 00:51:11,839
one of the members of washington mufon

1143
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:13,359
and he said did you know

1144
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:16,559
peter that bob gribble is considering

1145
00:51:21,910 --> 00:51:19,520
shutting down the hotline and i thought

1146
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:21,920
that would be a terrible blow to ufology

1147
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:22,960
because

1148
00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:25,920
he did reports at the mufon meetings and

1149
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:27,520
he was getting some terrific

1150
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:30,720
data so i made the mistake

1151
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:33,520
and you'll see why i say mistake of

1152
00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:35,680
calling bob gribble that was my next

1153
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:36,160
call

1154
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:39,119
that friday night and i chatted with him

1155
00:51:43,990 --> 00:51:40,800
and i told him that

1156
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:44,000
i would be perfectly willing to help

1157
00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:46,400
with his effort to take some of the load

1158
00:51:50,950 --> 00:51:47,839
off of his shoulders

1159
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:50,960
to prevent any burnout

1160
00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:52,880
and before i knew it he said peter it's

1161
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:54,160
yours

1162
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:56,400
and from that point forward my life has

1163
00:52:01,829 --> 00:51:58,800
not been the same as it would have been

1164
00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:01,839
if i had not become a full-time operator

1165
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:02,880
of the national

1166
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:06,160
ufo reporting center how do you fund

1167
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:09,440
how do you fund things

1168
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:12,800
well through minor donations and

1169
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:15,920
honoraria and most of all out of my

1170
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:19,280
savings account and

1171
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:21,520
i'm considering changing that here in

1172
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:22,880
the near future

1173
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:25,920
and putting a contribution button on my

1174
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:27,920
website so people can

1175
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:30,240
chip in five bucks every few months or

1176
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:31,359
so

1177
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:35,280
but i avoided that initially because i

1178
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:38,000
didn't want anybody thinking that i was

1179
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:41,760
doing this work for the money because

1180
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:44,960
if we're being visited by ufos

1181
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:48,720
and their presumed occupants

1182
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:51,599
that is a subject of such tremendous

1183
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:52,720
importance

1184
00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:56,400
it transcends any question of the

1185
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:00,079
importance of monetary gain

1186
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:04,160
from it so yeah and it's not monetary

1187
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:05,200
gain

1188
00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:07,040
you know and i think everybody would

1189
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:08,480
understand that because i'm

1190
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:11,520
i'm asking because uh every time i have

1191
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:12,720
gone

1192
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:15,119
uh to the new fork website i always took

1193
00:53:18,549 --> 00:53:16,800
note of that there isn't a donation

1194
00:53:19,270 --> 00:53:18,559
button here there isn't a membership

1195
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:19,280
button

1196
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:25,680
how there's no advertising on the page

1197
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:27,520
you know so how are you how are you

1198
00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:29,280
funding it and

1199
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:31,440
to say that you're doing this for the

1200
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:33,119
spirit and the love of the game

1201
00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:36,240
well that says it all peter

1202
00:53:40,829 --> 00:53:38,000
yeah well that's that's what i've been

1203
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:40,839
doing for the last 26 years and

1204
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:44,319
i think it's time for me to change that

1205
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:48,160
and start having inviting people to

1206
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:50,720
help with the finances of the operation

1207
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:51,760
well the second

1208
00:53:57,990 --> 00:53:54,960
that you add that button let us know

1209
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:58,000
right let us know man i'll

1210
00:54:01,990 --> 00:53:59,599
i'll i'll get it out there on social

1211
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:02,000
media and and you'll be able to relax

1212
00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:03,839
a little bit and and wonder why you

1213
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:05,200
didn't do it earlier

1214
00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:08,000
so you're probably right there but

1215
00:54:10,230 --> 00:54:08,480
another

1216
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:10,240
comment about bob gribble i can't say

1217
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:12,559
enough good things about him and what

1218
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:17,040
what he did for ufology he

1219
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:20,720
printed had printed some blaze orange

1220
00:54:26,470 --> 00:54:24,160
stickers that give the

1221
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:26,480
telephone number and this is before

1222
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:28,160
website so it doesn't include the

1223
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:29,839
website address

1224
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:32,800
but he had four or five thousand of

1225
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:33,920
those stickers

1226
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:37,280
printed up and he sent out a letter

1227
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:40,400
to the sheriff's office of every county

1228
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:41,920
and parish

1229
00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:44,480
in the united states to introduce them

1230
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:46,160
to his

1231
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:52,000
direct any callers who claim to have

1232
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:53,920
seen the ufo

1233
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:57,440
to the hotline number which is

1234
00:55:00,950 --> 00:55:00,079
it's been the same for 46 years next

1235
00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:00,960
month

1236
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:04,480
it's area code 206 722

1237
00:55:08,789 --> 00:55:06,720
3000. we've had that number in

1238
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:08,799
continuous operation

1239
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:11,920
since october of 1974.

1240
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:14,319
now um we're going to take a break here

1241
00:55:19,109 --> 00:55:15,599
in a couple of minutes but

1242
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:19,119
let me ask you this

1243
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:22,400
what was the out of out of the

1244
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:24,240
hundreds of thousands of reports and

1245
00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:26,880
phone calls what's the one

1246
00:55:34,150 --> 00:55:30,319
what what's the one phone call that that

1247
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:34,160
you think of first

1248
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:36,240
the phoenix lights case is the biggest

1249
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:37,280
case that

1250
00:55:44,549 --> 00:55:40,559
i think ufology has seen in 70 years

1251
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:44,559
i always think of the the

1252
00:55:47,750 --> 00:55:47,359
phoenix lights event the a lot of people

1253
00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:47,760
don't

1254
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:50,480
recognize just how dramatic it was one

1255
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:52,799
of the objects that hovered

1256
00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:55,680
over indian school road and 7th avenue

1257
00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:57,680
for five minutes

1258
00:56:01,990 --> 00:56:00,400
was 9000 feet above ground level at the

1259
00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:02,000
time it subtended an arc

1260
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:05,599
of about 135 degrees people estimated on

1261
00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:06,480
the ground

1262
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:09,760
that translates to a ship that was eight

1263
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:12,559
and a quarter miles wide from wing tip

1264
00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:14,160
to wingtip

1265
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:16,720
so that's that's the first case that

1266
00:56:22,710 --> 00:56:18,000
comes to mind

1267
00:56:25,349 --> 00:56:22,720
i feel that question

1268
00:56:27,670 --> 00:56:25,359
it's a call i took from a gentleman in

1269
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:27,680
my home city of seattle

1270
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:32,319
back in the year or about 2000 or so

1271
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:34,319
he talked about an incident he

1272
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:36,240
experienced up in

1273
00:56:43,829 --> 00:56:40,480
klutner alaska just east of anchorage

1274
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:43,839
he and a fellow friend of his both of

1275
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:44,640
them

1276
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:48,000
teenagers 18 19 years of age

1277
00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:51,119
they worked in the ccc camp up there

1278
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:54,160
during the depression they

1279
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:58,720
hitchhiked from their camp into

1280
00:57:02,069 --> 00:57:01,200
anchorage one night and they ran into a

1281
00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:02,079
saucer

1282
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:04,240
and he described it in great detail

1283
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:07,200
during a long telephone conversation

1284
00:57:15,109 --> 00:57:11,520
but that one that was of course 1936

1285
00:57:19,990 --> 00:57:17,910
people started talking about ufos before

1286
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:20,000
roswell of course

1287
00:57:25,990 --> 00:57:23,520
and that was a very dramatic one

1288
00:57:28,950 --> 00:57:26,000
i'll tell you a really funny little side

1289
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:28,960
note about the phoenix lights case

1290
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:32,160
is i was in phoenix that night

1291
00:57:39,910 --> 00:57:35,760
and i was in phoenix all week and i got

1292
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:39,920
back uh now okay i was outside i was at

1293
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:41,280
the hard rock

1294
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:44,400
uh cafe and i was at a record release

1295
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:46,319
party for a band

1296
00:57:49,829 --> 00:57:49,200
and uh and we were all out on the patio

1297
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:49,839
it was

1298
00:57:53,349 --> 00:57:52,240
a few hundred people uh at this record

1299
00:57:55,510 --> 00:57:53,359
release party

1300
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:55,520
so anyway i i get back home uh to

1301
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:57,040
burbank sherman oaks

1302
00:58:00,870 --> 00:57:59,920
the next night friday i i get in i turn

1303
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:00,880
on the tv

1304
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:03,680
it's on the local news and i'm you know

1305
00:58:06,309 --> 00:58:05,440
just doing my stuff and turning on the

1306
00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:06,319
lights and

1307
00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:10,400
and i hear from the tv a ufo sighting

1308
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:12,319
last night in the city of phoenix

1309
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:16,160
right and i spin around and i'm watching

1310
00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:16,480
this

1311
00:58:24,470 --> 00:58:20,240
on tv and i'm thinking to myself peter

1312
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:24,480
i can't believe it i was there

1313
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:27,599
and i didn't look up none of us did

1314
00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:30,480
none of us did uh none of this uh i was

1315
00:58:37,510 --> 00:58:30,880
uh

1316
00:58:40,549 --> 00:58:37,520
nobody nobody saw i didn't see it i

1317
00:58:43,990 --> 00:58:40,559
i was so upset with myself

1318
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:44,000
um and and to this day to this day i i

1319
00:58:49,270 --> 00:58:46,559
just regret it it happened on a thursday

1320
00:58:50,470 --> 00:58:49,280
and i flew home on friday oh by the way

1321
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:50,480
peter

1322
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:54,160
you look up you google you google how to

1323
00:58:59,990 --> 00:58:56,160
report a ufo

1324
00:59:02,710 --> 00:59:00,000
sighting new fork that's your number one

1325
00:59:06,549 --> 00:59:02,720
google search that's what pops up first

1326
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:08,630
you're at the top let's take our break

1327
00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:10,640
right here this is fade to black i'm

1328
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:12,480
yours jimmy church tonight

1329
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:15,119
peter davenport the director of the

1330
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:17,680
national ufo reporting center

1331
00:59:21,670 --> 00:59:19,440
more with peter after this short break

1332
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:21,680
it's night one of ufo week which is

1333
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:24,319
every week on fade to black by the way

1334
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:26,000
peter davenport i'll be right back after

1335
00:59:51,829 --> 00:59:26,799
this short break

1336
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:54,069
this is fade to black with jimmy church

1337
01:00:01,349 --> 00:59:56,400
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1338
01:00:03,910 --> 01:00:01,359
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1339
01:00:04,950 --> 01:00:03,920
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1340
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1341
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1342
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:11,359
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1343
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:12,960
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1375
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1377
01:01:17,109 --> 01:01:15,119
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1378
01:01:19,750 --> 01:01:17,119
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1379
01:01:22,349 --> 01:01:19,760
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1380
01:01:23,750 --> 01:01:22,359
carolyn ford over at einstein the

1381
01:01:26,230 --> 01:01:23,760
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1382
01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:26,240
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1383
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1384
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1385
01:01:33,589 --> 01:01:31,440
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1386
01:01:35,589 --> 01:01:33,599
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1387
01:01:36,150 --> 01:01:35,599
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1388
01:01:38,789 --> 01:01:36,160
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1389
01:01:41,109 --> 01:01:38,799
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1390
01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:41,119
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1391
01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:42,160
from the master

1392
01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:45,359
skull or master computer einstein the

1393
01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:47,200
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1394
01:01:52,589 --> 01:01:48,960
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1395
01:01:54,309 --> 01:01:52,599
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1406
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1407
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1462
01:04:57,029 --> 01:04:54,000
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1463
01:04:57,990 --> 01:04:57,039
peter davenport ufo week here on fade to

1464
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1465
01:05:01,750 --> 01:05:01,359
tomorrow night alejandra rojas wednesday

1466
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1469
01:05:10,390 --> 01:05:08,400
on mars tonight it's peter davenport

1470
01:05:11,829 --> 01:05:10,400
uh from the national ufo reporting

1471
01:05:14,309 --> 01:05:11,839
center and

1472
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:14,319
okay peter this is it's going to be

1473
01:05:18,309 --> 01:05:15,119
interesting

1474
01:05:22,390 --> 01:05:18,319
discussion here um the

1475
01:05:25,589 --> 01:05:22,400
uh the year of 2020 has been strange

1476
01:05:26,549 --> 01:05:25,599
there's no question about it and i know

1477
01:05:29,750 --> 01:05:26,559
that

1478
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:29,760
so many more people have time on their

1479
01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:31,440
hands

1480
01:05:35,670 --> 01:05:33,839
we have time out our ads and spending a

1481
01:05:37,510 --> 01:05:35,680
lot of time on the internet

1482
01:05:39,109 --> 01:05:37,520
watching movies from home entertainment

1483
01:05:42,470 --> 01:05:39,119
from home sports from home

1484
01:05:45,670 --> 01:05:42,480
everything is as shifted gears

1485
01:05:47,670 --> 01:05:45,680
but with this spare time

1486
01:05:48,710 --> 01:05:47,680
i would think and i've been making these

1487
01:05:51,190 --> 01:05:48,720
comments

1488
01:05:53,029 --> 01:05:51,200
all year that people are looking to the

1489
01:05:55,510 --> 01:05:53,039
skies more because

1490
01:05:57,029 --> 01:05:55,520
they've got spare time where they didn't

1491
01:05:59,349 --> 01:05:57,039
have it before

1492
01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:59,359
has i i've read the report in the wall

1493
01:06:03,670 --> 01:06:00,240
street journal

1494
01:06:06,230 --> 01:06:03,680
uh about new uh new fork and

1495
01:06:07,510 --> 01:06:06,240
the numbers and it was an interesting

1496
01:06:09,109 --> 01:06:07,520
article which

1497
01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:09,119
obviously is one of the reasons why i

1498
01:06:15,029 --> 01:06:11,760
called you i wanted your insight on it

1499
01:06:18,069 --> 01:06:15,039
uh do you think that the numbers

1500
01:06:19,910 --> 01:06:18,079
are different this year with reports on

1501
01:06:21,510 --> 01:06:19,920
ufos

1502
01:06:23,109 --> 01:06:21,520
well the numbers are different but it's

1503
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:23,119
a question of what the numbers mean

1504
01:06:26,390 --> 01:06:23,520
though

1505
01:06:28,150 --> 01:06:26,400
i i did report to that journalist and by

1506
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:28,160
the way she did a wonderful job of

1507
01:06:32,069 --> 01:06:29,680
writing that article i thought

1508
01:06:35,270 --> 01:06:32,079
it was very accurate and she got right

1509
01:06:40,390 --> 01:06:38,710
but the the

1510
01:06:44,309 --> 01:06:40,400
likelihood that a person is going to see

1511
01:06:46,549 --> 01:06:44,319
a ufo is very difficult to calculate

1512
01:06:47,670 --> 01:06:46,559
i don't know that the fact that people

1513
01:06:50,309 --> 01:06:47,680
are home

1514
01:06:51,670 --> 01:06:50,319
would make a big difference because when

1515
01:06:55,029 --> 01:06:51,680
they're home they're usually

1516
01:06:57,589 --> 01:06:55,039
indoors so they wouldn't have a

1517
01:06:58,390 --> 01:06:57,599
clear view of the daytime or nighttime

1518
01:07:00,549 --> 01:06:58,400
sky

1519
01:07:02,789 --> 01:07:00,559
it's hard for me to say it's it's

1520
01:07:03,670 --> 01:07:02,799
intriguing to consider the possibility

1521
01:07:06,630 --> 01:07:03,680
that the

1522
01:07:07,589 --> 01:07:06,640
coronavirus has given rise to more ufo

1523
01:07:09,750 --> 01:07:07,599
sightings

1524
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:09,760
but i can't certify that that's the case

1525
01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:11,200
there's so many

1526
01:07:15,190 --> 01:07:13,440
variables so many factors involved in

1527
01:07:18,630 --> 01:07:15,200
that calculus

1528
01:07:20,950 --> 01:07:18,640
well one of the specific uh uh

1529
01:07:21,670 --> 01:07:20,960
numbers i mean it got down to months

1530
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:21,680
right and

1531
01:07:26,109 --> 01:07:24,480
and the the percentage of increase

1532
01:07:29,109 --> 01:07:26,119
versus

1533
01:07:32,150 --> 01:07:29,119
2019. i specifically

1534
01:07:35,750 --> 01:07:32,160
want to address that um

1535
01:07:36,549 --> 01:07:35,760
was this uh was this an uh something

1536
01:07:39,990 --> 01:07:36,559
that she

1537
01:07:43,029 --> 01:07:40,000
extrapolated or or was this something

1538
01:07:45,430 --> 01:07:43,039
that you had actually stated

1539
01:07:46,150 --> 01:07:45,440
well we talked about the significance of

1540
01:07:49,510 --> 01:07:46,160
the

1541
01:07:52,309 --> 01:07:49,520
that's played a

1542
01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:52,319
major role in the number of reports this

1543
01:07:56,069 --> 01:07:53,760
year has been the

1544
01:07:56,950 --> 01:07:56,079
so-called starlink satellites i'm sure

1545
01:08:00,870 --> 01:07:56,960
you've seen them

1546
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:00,880
yes a lot of people are reporting them

1547
01:08:05,029 --> 01:08:03,359
even to this day the word hasn't gotten

1548
01:08:08,069 --> 01:08:05,039
out to everybody yet

1549
01:08:10,390 --> 01:08:08,079
people are reporting the long string of

1550
01:08:12,309 --> 01:08:10,400
satellites star-like objects that are

1551
01:08:14,230 --> 01:08:12,319
passing overhead

1552
01:08:15,990 --> 01:08:14,240
flying in the same pathway across the

1553
01:08:18,789 --> 01:08:16,000
night sky

1554
01:08:19,990 --> 01:08:18,799
that's served to affect the number of

1555
01:08:22,630 --> 01:08:20,000
reports

1556
01:08:23,590 --> 01:08:22,640
but of course those are not genuine ufo

1557
01:08:27,349 --> 01:08:23,600
reports

1558
01:08:30,950 --> 01:08:27,359
is this uh is is this part of your

1559
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:30,960
um okay when you say

1560
01:08:34,630 --> 01:08:34,000
ufo reports and we are talking about

1561
01:08:41,430 --> 01:08:34,640
numbers

1562
01:08:43,749 --> 01:08:41,440
of starlink included in because it's

1563
01:08:45,269 --> 01:08:43,759
just a de facto ufo sighting that came

1564
01:08:49,510 --> 01:08:45,279
in on the hotline

1565
01:08:52,309 --> 01:08:49,520
or is this not part of your ufo numbers

1566
01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:52,319
they're included in our reports and i

1567
01:08:56,709 --> 01:08:53,520
include

1568
01:08:59,030 --> 01:08:56,719
starlink satellite reports but i qualify

1569
01:09:02,470 --> 01:08:59,040
them with a comment that this

1570
01:09:06,070 --> 01:09:02,480
probably is starlink satellite sighting

1571
01:09:08,630 --> 01:09:06,080
but i include them i can never be

1572
01:09:10,390 --> 01:09:08,640
sure jimmy when somebody calls you on

1573
01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:10,400
the telephone says they've

1574
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:13,600
seen a ufo it's

1575
01:09:21,189 --> 01:09:16,799
very difficult to establish whether it's

1576
01:09:24,390 --> 01:09:21,199
uh actually a ufo or not but

1577
01:09:27,030 --> 01:09:24,400
i i include those reports

1578
01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:27,040
because it allows other people who may

1579
01:09:29,829 --> 01:09:28,960
have seen something who haven't reported

1580
01:09:33,669 --> 01:09:29,839
it yet

1581
01:09:35,990 --> 01:09:33,679
to see that report and realize that it

1582
01:09:38,709 --> 01:09:36,000
was probably a starling cluster of

1583
01:09:41,829 --> 01:09:38,719
starlink satellites that they saw

1584
01:09:42,470 --> 01:09:41,839
so ultimately i'll probably take those

1585
01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:42,480
reports

1586
01:09:48,550 --> 01:09:46,000
out of the database but i've elected to

1587
01:09:50,789 --> 01:09:48,560
leave them in just because i feel it's

1588
01:09:51,990 --> 01:09:50,799
so long as they're properly qualified

1589
01:09:55,189 --> 01:09:52,000
and identified

1590
01:09:58,229 --> 01:09:55,199
for what they are it's uh potentially

1591
01:10:01,430 --> 01:09:58,239
useful to somebody visiting our site

1592
01:10:02,709 --> 01:10:01,440
now to see how right reports yeah

1593
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:02,719
exactly

1594
01:10:05,990 --> 01:10:05,280
and so for you have you have you been

1595
01:10:08,470 --> 01:10:06,000
able to get a

1596
01:10:10,390 --> 01:10:08,480
feel by looking at the numbers you know

1597
01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:10,400
what is starlink and what isn't

1598
01:10:16,790 --> 01:10:14,640
and and then get a general idea

1599
01:10:18,709 --> 01:10:16,800
uh about the number of reports and

1600
01:10:21,750 --> 01:10:18,719
sightings that have been happening

1601
01:10:23,590 --> 01:10:21,760
in 2020 has there been an increase over

1602
01:10:25,350 --> 01:10:23,600
2019

1603
01:10:27,910 --> 01:10:25,360
i think there has been but whether it's

1604
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:27,920
a significant statistically significant

1605
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:28,800
increase

1606
01:10:32,390 --> 01:10:30,960
is very difficult for me to be able to

1607
01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:32,400
say it would take a

1608
01:10:35,830 --> 01:10:34,320
great deal of work that i don't have

1609
01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:35,840
time to do

1610
01:10:41,110 --> 01:10:38,480
to determine which of the reports is

1611
01:10:43,830 --> 01:10:41,120
likely a genuine ufo

1612
01:10:44,310 --> 01:10:43,840
and then do statistical analysis only on

1613
01:10:47,030 --> 01:10:44,320
those

1614
01:10:47,430 --> 01:10:47,040
reports to see if there's a fluctuation

1615
01:10:51,030 --> 01:10:47,440
in

1616
01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:51,040
quantity or not but the

1617
01:10:55,350 --> 01:10:53,520
the issue of quantity of reports number

1618
01:10:59,270 --> 01:10:55,360
of reports per month

1619
01:11:01,189 --> 01:10:59,280
is not quite as interesting to me as the

1620
01:11:03,110 --> 01:11:01,199
type of reports i've been getting

1621
01:11:03,750 --> 01:11:03,120
exactly it used to be when i took over

1622
01:11:07,350 --> 01:11:03,760
this

1623
01:11:09,430 --> 01:11:07,360
position as director that the majority

1624
01:11:10,229 --> 01:11:09,440
of reports we've gotten and many others

1625
01:11:14,550 --> 01:11:10,239
have

1626
01:11:15,590 --> 01:11:14,560
with respect to their data and their

1627
01:11:18,630 --> 01:11:15,600
work

1628
01:11:21,510 --> 01:11:18,640
most of the report reports used to be

1629
01:11:21,910 --> 01:11:21,520
about distant tiny lights in the night

1630
01:11:26,070 --> 01:11:21,920
sky

1631
01:11:29,189 --> 01:11:26,080
longer the case

1632
01:11:32,310 --> 01:11:29,199
it appears to me people are reporting

1633
01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:32,320
palpable honest to gosh craft

1634
01:11:35,430 --> 01:11:34,320
that are streaking overhead in the night

1635
01:11:38,470 --> 01:11:35,440
sky

1636
01:11:39,430 --> 01:11:38,480
oftentimes unlighted no lights on them

1637
01:11:42,070 --> 01:11:39,440
at all

1638
01:11:44,070 --> 01:11:42,080
and that waves a red flag if somebody

1639
01:11:46,790 --> 01:11:44,080
tells me he saw an object

1640
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:46,800
streak over his head and it did not have

1641
01:11:52,630 --> 01:11:49,920
red or green or white lights on it

1642
01:11:53,590 --> 01:11:52,640
they have my interest immediately what

1643
01:11:57,510 --> 01:11:53,600
about daytime

1644
01:11:59,110 --> 01:11:57,520
sightings yeah there have been a lot of

1645
01:12:00,790 --> 01:11:59,120
those too

1646
01:12:02,630 --> 01:12:00,800
that's one of the things i was going to

1647
01:12:07,830 --> 01:12:02,640
lead into

1648
01:12:11,110 --> 01:12:07,840
is people are having daytime sightings

1649
01:12:11,430 --> 01:12:11,120
again palpable craft objects some of

1650
01:12:14,709 --> 01:12:11,440
them

1651
01:12:17,430 --> 01:12:14,719
i believe are high altitude balloons

1652
01:12:20,630 --> 01:12:17,440
helium filled balloons that are launched

1653
01:12:23,830 --> 01:12:20,640
being launched by google and darpa

1654
01:12:26,950 --> 01:12:23,840
but not all of them and

1655
01:12:30,149 --> 01:12:26,960
people are seeing really

1656
01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:30,159
bizarre craft that can't be ascribed to

1657
01:12:34,790 --> 01:12:32,159
any other kind of

1658
01:12:37,110 --> 01:12:34,800
explanation in my opinion other than the

1659
01:12:39,910 --> 01:12:37,120
ufo explanation

1660
01:12:41,830 --> 01:12:39,920
yeah uh nighttime sightings are fun i've

1661
01:12:43,830 --> 01:12:41,840
done a lot of uh you know i've got night

1662
01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:43,840
vision goggles and

1663
01:12:47,830 --> 01:12:46,239
and things and and and i enjoy doing

1664
01:12:48,550 --> 01:12:47,840
that going out with groups of people

1665
01:12:52,630 --> 01:12:48,560
that's that's

1666
01:12:55,189 --> 01:12:52,640
that's fun but the daytime sighting

1667
01:12:57,030 --> 01:12:55,199
to me is the holy grail stuff because

1668
01:13:00,070 --> 01:12:57,040
now you can actually see the craft

1669
01:13:01,030 --> 01:13:00,080
at night it's it's it's you know it's a

1670
01:13:03,830 --> 01:13:01,040
it's a guessing game

1671
01:13:04,709 --> 01:13:03,840
it's a lot of fun but when you have a a

1672
01:13:06,390 --> 01:13:04,719
bona fide

1673
01:13:09,030 --> 01:13:06,400
like we were talking about earlier being

1674
01:13:11,189 --> 01:13:09,040
a kid right daytime sighting

1675
01:13:12,390 --> 01:13:11,199
you can look at what you're looking at

1676
01:13:16,229 --> 01:13:12,400
you can see

1677
01:13:19,350 --> 01:13:16,239
what you're looking at and positively

1678
01:13:19,830 --> 01:13:19,360
identify it as uh something terrestrial

1679
01:13:24,310 --> 01:13:19,840
or

1680
01:13:24,950 --> 01:13:24,320
and if we have an increase of daytime

1681
01:13:28,149 --> 01:13:24,960
sightings

1682
01:13:31,430 --> 01:13:28,159
then that says something peter yep

1683
01:13:33,430 --> 01:13:31,440
i agree there's there's some oh

1684
01:13:34,950 --> 01:13:33,440
i want to jump in and i know that i just

1685
01:13:39,270 --> 01:13:34,960
interrupted you

1686
01:13:42,950 --> 01:13:39,280
but is this this is 2020 peter

1687
01:13:45,910 --> 01:13:42,960
i would think that if you were going to

1688
01:13:47,110 --> 01:13:45,920
check out planet earth this is a pretty

1689
01:13:50,790 --> 01:13:47,120
good year

1690
01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:50,800
if you're e.t to come to check us out

1691
01:13:55,990 --> 01:13:54,000
but think about the e.t side they're

1692
01:13:56,630 --> 01:13:56,000
probably going man i was i just came

1693
01:14:00,310 --> 01:13:56,640
from

1694
01:14:00,870 --> 01:14:00,320
check it out right now it's kind of

1695
01:14:03,590 --> 01:14:00,880
crazy

1696
01:14:05,350 --> 01:14:03,600
right maybe it's that and maybe we can

1697
01:14:05,669 --> 01:14:05,360
actually see a decrease i don't know

1698
01:14:10,550 --> 01:14:05,679
which

1699
01:14:14,070 --> 01:14:10,560
do you think et is interested

1700
01:14:16,950 --> 01:14:14,080
in in the pandemic and and

1701
01:14:17,590 --> 01:14:16,960
the social aspects of how we're dealing

1702
01:14:19,270 --> 01:14:17,600
with it

1703
01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:19,280
is that something e.t would want to

1704
01:14:28,229 --> 01:14:20,800
observe

1705
01:14:30,870 --> 01:14:28,239
i hope not participate in we still don't

1706
01:14:34,310 --> 01:14:30,880
know where this virus came from for sure

1707
01:14:37,830 --> 01:14:34,320
right in my opinion and

1708
01:14:39,110 --> 01:14:37,840
if et is involved in a creation of a

1709
01:14:41,990 --> 01:14:39,120
virus that

1710
01:14:44,229 --> 01:14:42,000
has such a profound effect on the human

1711
01:14:47,990 --> 01:14:44,239
population on this planet

1712
01:14:51,189 --> 01:14:48,000
that is a worrisome proposition

1713
01:14:53,910 --> 01:14:51,199
i it has crossed my mind more than once

1714
01:14:55,750 --> 01:14:53,920
sure that we should be devoting a lot of

1715
01:14:59,669 --> 01:14:55,760
effort to trying to

1716
01:15:02,070 --> 01:14:59,679
explain where this virus came from about

1717
01:15:03,430 --> 01:15:02,080
the scientists that's right about two

1718
01:15:06,550 --> 01:15:03,440
years ago

1719
01:15:09,189 --> 01:15:06,560
this strange press release uh

1720
01:15:10,709 --> 01:15:09,199
came out i reported it on the show and

1721
01:15:11,430 --> 01:15:10,719
then i didn't hear anything else about

1722
01:15:15,910 --> 01:15:11,440
it

1723
01:15:18,550 --> 01:15:15,920
but the press release was that

1724
01:15:19,750 --> 01:15:18,560
on the iss the international space

1725
01:15:23,510 --> 01:15:19,760
station

1726
01:15:26,870 --> 01:15:23,520
they found a strange bacteria

1727
01:15:28,070 --> 01:15:26,880
growing on the outside of the space

1728
01:15:30,870 --> 01:15:28,080
station

1729
01:15:31,669 --> 01:15:30,880
now i saw that report right right now

1730
01:15:35,430 --> 01:15:31,679
wait a minute

1731
01:15:36,470 --> 01:15:35,440
right in the in in the temperature of

1732
01:15:39,350 --> 01:15:36,480
space

1733
01:15:40,229 --> 01:15:39,360
which is really cold or in direct

1734
01:15:43,110 --> 01:15:40,239
sunlight

1735
01:15:43,830 --> 01:15:43,120
it's really hot but there aren't things

1736
01:15:46,870 --> 01:15:43,840
like

1737
01:15:50,310 --> 01:15:46,880
oxygen right there isn't an

1738
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:50,320
atmosphere or anything uh that would

1739
01:15:53,990 --> 01:15:51,120
facilitate

1740
01:15:54,550 --> 01:15:54,000
growth you wouldn't think but if you've

1741
01:15:57,750 --> 01:15:54,560
got a

1742
01:16:00,630 --> 01:15:57,760
bizarre bacteria that is able to live

1743
01:16:02,149 --> 01:16:00,640
in space and grow and reproduce on the

1744
01:16:03,030 --> 01:16:02,159
outside of the international space

1745
01:16:04,830 --> 01:16:03,040
station

1746
01:16:07,030 --> 01:16:04,840
that is something that we should know

1747
01:16:10,310 --> 01:16:07,040
about and the report

1748
01:16:12,070 --> 01:16:10,320
just died and then we have coronavirus

1749
01:16:15,189 --> 01:16:12,080
two years later

1750
01:16:16,950 --> 01:16:15,199
yeah isn't that interesting it is i was

1751
01:16:20,310 --> 01:16:16,960
in the i used to work in the soviet

1752
01:16:21,270 --> 01:16:20,320
union back in the late 1970s and there

1753
01:16:24,709 --> 01:16:21,280
was a similar

1754
01:16:26,870 --> 01:16:24,719
outbreak i can i can

1755
01:16:28,709 --> 01:16:26,880
think i can pinpoint the date i think it

1756
01:16:31,910 --> 01:16:28,719
was the first of september

1757
01:16:35,030 --> 01:16:31,920
first of first of

1758
01:16:40,550 --> 01:16:35,040
april 1979 when the

1759
01:16:44,310 --> 01:16:42,950
it blew its roof off and a big yellow

1760
01:16:46,229 --> 01:16:44,320
cloud floated out

1761
01:16:47,510 --> 01:16:46,239
reportedly and all of this is on the

1762
01:16:49,669 --> 01:16:47,520
internet

1763
01:16:52,709 --> 01:16:49,679
a big yellow cloud floated out of their

1764
01:16:56,229 --> 01:16:52,719
factory where they were producing

1765
01:17:01,830 --> 01:16:56,239
weaponized anthrax without a doubt

1766
01:17:04,630 --> 01:17:01,840
they were caught red-handed with it

1767
01:17:05,830 --> 01:17:04,640
and the soviets went berserk trying to

1768
01:17:08,630 --> 01:17:05,840
control

1769
01:17:10,310 --> 01:17:08,640
the spread of that disease so the take

1770
01:17:14,229 --> 01:17:10,320
home lesson here

1771
01:17:16,870 --> 01:17:14,239
is that superpower superpowers at least

1772
01:17:21,750 --> 01:17:16,880
and perhaps other countries as well

1773
01:17:25,750 --> 01:17:21,760
are producing weaponized microbes

1774
01:17:30,149 --> 01:17:25,760
and i hope i hope they're not being used

1775
01:17:33,270 --> 01:17:30,159
but you can't you can't be sure and i

1776
01:17:35,430 --> 01:17:33,280
i suspect our intelligence agencies are

1777
01:17:38,470 --> 01:17:35,440
burning the midnight oil trying to

1778
01:17:41,750 --> 01:17:38,480
answer that question as to whether

1779
01:17:43,189 --> 01:17:41,760
this uh coronavirus was manufactured

1780
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:43,199
artificially and

1781
01:17:47,590 --> 01:17:45,280
then released either intentionally or

1782
01:17:51,510 --> 01:17:47,600
unintentionally

1783
01:17:54,790 --> 01:17:51,520
as the data is uh coming in this year

1784
01:17:57,510 --> 01:17:54,800
um as well obviously

1785
01:17:59,590 --> 01:17:57,520
the united states is always up there

1786
01:18:02,550 --> 01:17:59,600
with the highest amount of sightings

1787
01:18:04,310 --> 01:18:02,560
but are we starting to see data come in

1788
01:18:05,669 --> 01:18:04,320
from around the world too as well have

1789
01:18:08,870 --> 01:18:05,679
you seen an increase

1790
01:18:10,950 --> 01:18:08,880
on other parts of the planet if i've

1791
01:18:13,990 --> 01:18:10,960
experienced an increase from places like

1792
01:18:16,870 --> 01:18:14,000
canada or europe or asia or africa

1793
01:18:17,270 --> 01:18:16,880
i'm not aware of it but i don't have

1794
01:18:19,189 --> 01:18:17,280
again

1795
01:18:21,590 --> 01:18:19,199
don't have the time to really look at

1796
01:18:24,070 --> 01:18:21,600
that information in

1797
01:18:25,830 --> 01:18:24,080
any kind of meaningful statistically

1798
01:18:28,550 --> 01:18:25,840
tight fashion

1799
01:18:32,070 --> 01:18:28,560
it could well be the case it could also

1800
01:18:35,830 --> 01:18:34,550
reports from other countries simply

1801
01:18:37,990 --> 01:18:35,840
because

1802
01:18:39,030 --> 01:18:38,000
i'm becoming more well known in those

1803
01:18:40,950 --> 01:18:39,040
areas sure

1804
01:18:43,270 --> 01:18:40,960
well you're the number one google search

1805
01:18:46,950 --> 01:18:43,280
so you gotta always remember that

1806
01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:46,960
the uh the types of

1807
01:18:54,950 --> 01:18:50,640
craft i have

1808
01:18:55,750 --> 01:18:54,960
uh i have seen them change from decade

1809
01:18:59,189 --> 01:18:55,760
to decade

1810
01:19:00,870 --> 01:18:59,199
you know going back to the late 40s

1811
01:19:03,189 --> 01:19:00,880
you know what was happening in the 50s

1812
01:19:04,950 --> 01:19:03,199
in the late 50s and then the 60s and

1813
01:19:08,550 --> 01:19:04,960
late 60s and 70s

1814
01:19:11,750 --> 01:19:08,560
the types of craft have

1815
01:19:14,630 --> 01:19:11,760
have changed um and and

1816
01:19:15,669 --> 01:19:14,640
do you you must see the exact same thing

1817
01:19:18,709 --> 01:19:15,679
what did you see

1818
01:19:20,310 --> 01:19:18,719
most uh with muff on a new fork back in

1819
01:19:23,590 --> 01:19:20,320
the early days in the 80s

1820
01:19:24,950 --> 01:19:23,600
and early 90s well most of what we saw

1821
01:19:27,189 --> 01:19:24,960
were lights in the sky

1822
01:19:30,470 --> 01:19:27,199
or usually discs if people were

1823
01:19:33,669 --> 01:19:30,480
reporting an out and out

1824
01:19:35,830 --> 01:19:33,679
tangible craft but

1825
01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:35,840
some very nice work elegant work was

1826
01:19:40,310 --> 01:19:37,360
done by dave marlar from

1827
01:19:42,790 --> 01:19:40,320
albuquerque who used to be state

1828
01:19:46,630 --> 01:19:42,800
director of mufon for illinois when i

1829
01:19:50,630 --> 01:19:46,640
first met him he did an analysis of

1830
01:19:51,510 --> 01:19:50,640
new forks data and i think mufon's data

1831
01:19:54,630 --> 01:19:51,520
as well

1832
01:19:57,990 --> 01:19:54,640
and he discovered to the amazement of

1833
01:20:01,430 --> 01:19:58,000
all of us that two-thirds i think the

1834
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:01,440
figure he cites is two-thirds of all the

1835
01:20:07,750 --> 01:20:04,800
sightings legitimate sightings have to

1836
01:20:10,390 --> 01:20:07,760
do with triangular shaped craft

1837
01:20:12,629 --> 01:20:10,400
so it's a wonder we didn't come up with

1838
01:20:14,870 --> 01:20:12,639
the term flying triangle as opposed to

1839
01:20:19,270 --> 01:20:14,880
flying saucer

1840
01:20:20,870 --> 01:20:19,280
but i'm astonished you mentioned this

1841
01:20:23,750 --> 01:20:20,880
earlier in the program

1842
01:20:24,629 --> 01:20:23,760
the diversity of craft that are reported

1843
01:20:28,709 --> 01:20:24,639
by

1844
01:20:32,149 --> 01:20:28,719
reliable seemingly qualified witnesses

1845
01:20:36,870 --> 01:20:32,159
is just breathtaking anywhere from

1846
01:20:40,229 --> 01:20:36,880
egg-shaped craft to just circles

1847
01:20:43,270 --> 01:20:40,239
discs spheres

1848
01:20:44,149 --> 01:20:43,280
wedge-shaped craft triangles it's an

1849
01:20:47,270 --> 01:20:44,159
amazing

1850
01:20:49,270 --> 01:20:47,280
accumulation of of

1851
01:20:51,110 --> 01:20:49,280
different types of things that people

1852
01:20:54,390 --> 01:20:51,120
are seeing that cannot

1853
01:20:57,990 --> 01:20:54,400
apparently cannot be ascribed to

1854
01:20:59,189 --> 01:20:58,000
terrestrial aircraft i'm just awestruck

1855
01:21:02,790 --> 01:20:59,199
by the

1856
01:21:06,950 --> 01:21:02,800
nature of the data i'm handling and uh

1857
01:21:09,189 --> 01:21:06,960
did the triangle reporting uh

1858
01:21:12,870 --> 01:21:09,199
see the greatest numbers uh through the

1859
01:21:15,110 --> 01:21:12,880
90s and early 2000s

1860
01:21:16,950 --> 01:21:15,120
well that's what dave marlar's data

1861
01:21:17,590 --> 01:21:16,960
suggests i haven't looked at it close

1862
01:21:22,390 --> 01:21:17,600
enough to

1863
01:21:25,590 --> 01:21:22,400
that i would agree with that but

1864
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:25,600
he's a meticulously careful

1865
01:21:31,510 --> 01:21:28,960
uh investigator and if he says

1866
01:21:33,830 --> 01:21:31,520
it's the case i suspect he's he's got

1867
01:21:37,350 --> 01:21:33,840
the data to back it up

1868
01:21:38,070 --> 01:21:37,360
so and and how do how have they changed

1869
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:38,080
uh

1870
01:21:41,110 --> 01:21:40,560
throughout the 2000s what's what's the

1871
01:21:52,229 --> 01:21:41,120
most

1872
01:21:53,830 --> 01:21:52,239
usually of red orange yellow amber or

1873
01:21:56,870 --> 01:21:53,840
gold

1874
01:21:59,189 --> 01:21:56,880
lights and

1875
01:22:00,709 --> 01:21:59,199
i sent you a couple of cases earlier

1876
01:22:04,310 --> 01:22:00,719
today you may get

1877
01:22:07,030 --> 01:22:04,320
a follow-up message from me but

1878
01:22:10,310 --> 01:22:07,040
i can interestingly i can pin down the

1879
01:22:14,310 --> 01:22:10,320
exact date when it occurred it was late

1880
01:22:18,070 --> 01:22:14,320
may of 2012

1881
01:22:22,070 --> 01:22:18,080
i started receiving frequent

1882
01:22:25,110 --> 01:22:22,080
reports of clusters of

1883
01:22:28,070 --> 01:22:25,120
these red orange or yellow lights

1884
01:22:29,430 --> 01:22:28,080
and the one of the first ones was from

1885
01:22:33,910 --> 01:22:29,440
saint louis

1886
01:22:36,390 --> 01:22:33,920
the first of june 19 2012

1887
01:22:37,669 --> 01:22:36,400
a police officer was driving south out

1888
01:22:40,950 --> 01:22:37,679
of st louis

1889
01:22:43,030 --> 01:22:40,960
with his wife and their infant child

1890
01:22:45,189 --> 01:22:43,040
they were going south on the interstate

1891
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:45,199
55 i believe it was

1892
01:22:49,669 --> 01:22:47,040
and he looked off to his quartering

1893
01:22:54,070 --> 01:22:49,679
right to the southwest

1894
01:22:56,870 --> 01:22:54,080
and he saw a cluster of orange

1895
01:22:59,430 --> 01:22:56,880
lights streaking across the sky from his

1896
01:23:01,990 --> 01:22:59,440
right to left in front of him

1897
01:23:02,790 --> 01:23:02,000
and he was an excellent witness and he

1898
01:23:05,830 --> 01:23:02,800
was shaken

1899
01:23:07,510 --> 01:23:05,840
badly shaken by what he saw in fact

1900
01:23:09,110 --> 01:23:07,520
shortly after his sighting he had to

1901
01:23:11,750 --> 01:23:09,120
stop his car

1902
01:23:13,669 --> 01:23:11,760
put on his police unifor police hat

1903
01:23:15,669 --> 01:23:13,679
figuratively speaking

1904
01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:15,679
and assist with a very serious

1905
01:23:20,790 --> 01:23:17,280
automobile accident

1906
01:23:23,669 --> 01:23:20,800
which he thinks was caused by the

1907
01:23:26,870 --> 01:23:23,679
objects being cited by that car's driver

1908
01:23:29,189 --> 01:23:26,880
that was involved in the accident

1909
01:23:31,270 --> 01:23:29,199
something very similar was seen the next

1910
01:23:35,189 --> 01:23:31,280
night the 2nd of june

1911
01:23:37,910 --> 01:23:35,199
again 2012 and all of these reports

1912
01:23:42,550 --> 01:23:37,920
should be on our website

1913
01:23:48,709 --> 01:23:45,669
four groups of women saw

1914
01:23:51,030 --> 01:23:48,719
two clusters of orange lights just

1915
01:23:53,990 --> 01:23:51,040
east of portland on the north shore of

1916
01:23:55,910 --> 01:23:54,000
the columbia river

1917
01:23:57,910 --> 01:23:55,920
beacon rock state park is where it

1918
01:24:01,110 --> 01:23:57,920
occurred and i've been getting

1919
01:24:03,669 --> 01:24:01,120
gobs and gobs of reports like that

1920
01:24:04,950 --> 01:24:03,679
one other report i'll cite because it's

1921
01:24:09,470 --> 01:24:04,960
particularly

1922
01:24:13,510 --> 01:24:09,480
well maybe two the sixth of july

1923
01:24:15,990 --> 01:24:13,520
2013 so this phenomenon had been in

1924
01:24:17,189 --> 01:24:16,000
taking place for about a year at this

1925
01:24:20,709 --> 01:24:17,199
point

1926
01:24:24,149 --> 01:24:20,719
a an ex-u.s astronaut

1927
01:24:26,310 --> 01:24:24,159
from athens texas saw a cluster of these

1928
01:24:29,669 --> 01:24:26,320
objects go over his head and

1929
01:24:33,030 --> 01:24:32,310
he and i had several conversations he

1930
01:24:35,270 --> 01:24:33,040
saw

1931
01:24:37,430 --> 01:24:35,280
a cluster of three red lights followed

1932
01:24:38,229 --> 01:24:37,440
by another cluster by another cluster

1933
01:24:41,590 --> 01:24:38,239
and another

1934
01:24:44,310 --> 01:24:41,600
a fourth i think he

1935
01:24:45,270 --> 01:24:44,320
said peter i don't know what those

1936
01:24:47,030 --> 01:24:45,280
objects were

1937
01:24:48,709 --> 01:24:47,040
but he said there's one thing i can

1938
01:24:51,510 --> 01:24:48,719
assure you they were not

1939
01:24:52,229 --> 01:24:51,520
manufactured on our planet that's a

1940
01:24:54,390 --> 01:24:52,239
pretty

1941
01:24:55,750 --> 01:24:54,400
bold statement for an american astronaut

1942
01:24:58,629 --> 01:24:55,760
to be making

1943
01:25:00,229 --> 01:24:58,639
the list that you sent me one of the

1944
01:25:03,430 --> 01:25:00,239
lists i should say

1945
01:25:04,870 --> 01:25:03,440
and and i went uh through them and i'm

1946
01:25:06,709 --> 01:25:04,880
still going through them

1947
01:25:07,990 --> 01:25:06,719
it's it's some of the most fascinating

1948
01:25:10,790 --> 01:25:08,000
reading

1949
01:25:12,470 --> 01:25:10,800
uh that i've ever seen and i don't know

1950
01:25:16,070 --> 01:25:12,480
how many reports

1951
01:25:18,149 --> 01:25:16,080
uh you have sent me peter but uh

1952
01:25:20,629 --> 01:25:18,159
let's see here all the way through

1953
01:25:22,870 --> 01:25:20,639
february of 2020

1954
01:25:25,229 --> 01:25:22,880
uh you know these are hand-picked

1955
01:25:28,629 --> 01:25:25,239
everybody uh from peter but uh

1956
01:25:31,310 --> 01:25:28,639
1965 1994 1994 1990

1957
01:25:32,470 --> 01:25:31,320
you know all the way up uh through the

1958
01:25:35,110 --> 01:25:32,480
2020s

1959
01:25:37,110 --> 01:25:35,120
and i'm reading the witness uh

1960
01:25:39,189 --> 01:25:37,120
descriptions of this

1961
01:25:41,110 --> 01:25:39,199
and there's nothing else there isn't

1962
01:25:42,310 --> 01:25:41,120
another conclusion to come to when you

1963
01:25:45,270 --> 01:25:42,320
look at this because this is

1964
01:25:47,030 --> 01:25:45,280
hundreds i mean this is hundreds of

1965
01:25:47,830 --> 01:25:47,040
hundreds of thousands of reports that

1966
01:25:50,470 --> 01:25:47,840
you have

1967
01:25:51,910 --> 01:25:50,480
but all this says is there is something

1968
01:25:55,110 --> 01:25:51,920
going on in the skies

1969
01:25:58,149 --> 01:25:55,120
there's no question about it

1970
01:25:59,350 --> 01:25:58,159
yeah i feel the same way jimmy and if

1971
01:26:01,270 --> 01:25:59,360
there's one thing that

1972
01:26:02,709 --> 01:26:01,280
i guess two things that keep me working

1973
01:26:05,590 --> 01:26:02,719
and moving forward at this

1974
01:26:06,229 --> 01:26:05,600
very difficult job it's what you just

1975
01:26:09,189 --> 01:26:06,239
said

1976
01:26:10,229 --> 01:26:09,199
something is taking place and all

1977
01:26:13,669 --> 01:26:10,239
humanity may

1978
01:26:16,229 --> 01:26:13,679
be at risk as far as we know and it's

1979
01:26:19,430 --> 01:26:16,239
imperative that we get this information

1980
01:26:21,430 --> 01:26:19,440
as quickly and accurately as we can and

1981
01:26:23,030 --> 01:26:21,440
most of all get it out to the american

1982
01:26:25,750 --> 01:26:23,040
people

1983
01:26:28,709 --> 01:26:25,760
as quickly as we can as well and that's

1984
01:26:31,189 --> 01:26:28,719
underscores the value and the importance

1985
01:26:33,510 --> 01:26:31,199
of the many fine programs you do on the

1986
01:26:35,990 --> 01:26:33,520
subject of ufology

1987
01:26:37,270 --> 01:26:36,000
it's i don't know where we would be if

1988
01:26:40,390 --> 01:26:37,280
we didn't have

1989
01:26:43,430 --> 01:26:40,400
broadcasters like you allowing

1990
01:26:44,629 --> 01:26:43,440
us ufo investigators good high quality

1991
01:26:48,149 --> 01:26:44,639
air time

1992
01:26:48,950 --> 01:26:48,159
to share our data with a large number of

1993
01:26:51,270 --> 01:26:48,960
listeners

1994
01:26:53,189 --> 01:26:51,280
it's very important obviously the

1995
01:26:55,990 --> 01:26:53,199
newspapers aren't going to do

1996
01:26:56,310 --> 01:26:56,000
very much or they haven't until maybe

1997
01:26:58,790 --> 01:26:56,320
just

1998
01:26:59,430 --> 01:26:58,800
recently well you know and and the

1999
01:27:03,030 --> 01:26:59,440
reason

2000
01:27:05,830 --> 01:27:03,040
an interest

2001
01:27:06,870 --> 01:27:05,840
but things have happened for me

2002
01:27:08,709 --> 01:27:06,880
personally

2003
01:27:10,229 --> 01:27:08,719
where the things that i can't explain

2004
01:27:14,070 --> 01:27:10,239
you know steve morillo

2005
01:27:14,310 --> 01:27:14,080
from mufon um and steve uh was director

2006
01:27:16,629 --> 01:27:14,320
of

2007
01:27:18,709 --> 01:27:16,639
uh mufon here in southern california los

2008
01:27:21,110 --> 01:27:18,719
angeles for 13 years

2009
01:27:22,229 --> 01:27:21,120
um a marine corps fighter pilot

2010
01:27:25,750 --> 01:27:22,239
graduated from the

2011
01:27:28,390 --> 01:27:25,760
the naval academy pilot uh

2012
01:27:29,590 --> 01:27:28,400
very sharp gentleman he knows what's

2013
01:27:32,550 --> 01:27:29,600
going on

2014
01:27:33,750 --> 01:27:32,560
and the two of us along with you know 20

2015
01:27:36,070 --> 01:27:33,760
or 30 other people

2016
01:27:37,669 --> 01:27:36,080
uh we were all together up in washington

2017
01:27:39,590 --> 01:27:37,679
not too far from you

2018
01:27:41,430 --> 01:27:39,600
and in the middle of the day three

2019
01:27:45,590 --> 01:27:41,440
o'clock in the afternoon peter

2020
01:27:48,870 --> 01:27:45,600
this ginormous and i'm gonna guess here

2021
01:27:52,149 --> 01:27:48,880
a 500 foot tall

2022
01:27:53,910 --> 01:27:52,159
spinning it looked like a beer can a

2023
01:27:57,270 --> 01:27:53,920
black

2024
01:27:59,510 --> 01:27:57,280
tall cylindrical shape but it was it was

2025
01:28:00,870 --> 01:27:59,520
vertical it wasn't horizontal it was

2026
01:28:04,870 --> 01:28:00,880
vertical and it's

2027
01:28:07,910 --> 01:28:04,880
turning and and going across the sky

2028
01:28:09,430 --> 01:28:07,920
blue sky sun reflecting off of this and

2029
01:28:11,430 --> 01:28:09,440
it's spinning

2030
01:28:12,870 --> 01:28:11,440
and we're freaking out we thought we

2031
01:28:15,430 --> 01:28:12,880
were gonna it was

2032
01:28:16,629 --> 01:28:15,440
slow and we thought that we were going

2033
01:28:18,950 --> 01:28:16,639
to watch this for an

2034
01:28:22,070 --> 01:28:18,960
hour because we had the big vast open

2035
01:28:25,189 --> 01:28:22,080
washington sky in front of us

2036
01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:25,199
it phased out right

2037
01:28:30,870 --> 01:28:28,400
and it just you know it's steve

2038
01:28:32,470 --> 01:28:30,880
you should hear steve in the video it

2039
01:28:34,629 --> 01:28:32,480
disappeared

2040
01:28:36,550 --> 01:28:34,639
and i was like what i looked again and

2041
01:28:39,750 --> 01:28:36,560
it was gone

2042
01:28:42,790 --> 01:28:39,760
just gone from the open sky

2043
01:28:45,669 --> 01:28:42,800
no no no and so

2044
01:28:48,709 --> 01:28:45,679
that's why i'm here peter it it's things

2045
01:28:50,870 --> 01:28:48,719
like that it's your sighting in 1954.

2046
01:28:51,750 --> 01:28:50,880
it's things like that with with steve

2047
01:28:53,910 --> 01:28:51,760
murillo and

2048
01:28:55,110 --> 01:28:53,920
and what do we what do we have with with

2049
01:28:57,830 --> 01:28:55,120
something like that

2050
01:28:59,590 --> 01:28:57,840
we've got to figure out what's going on

2051
01:29:02,950 --> 01:28:59,600
i can tell you

2052
01:29:03,910 --> 01:29:02,960
with my boyhood knowledge of the f-104

2053
01:29:05,350 --> 01:29:03,920
starfighter

2054
01:29:08,229 --> 01:29:05,360
and everything else that i know and love

2055
01:29:10,310 --> 01:29:08,239
about aircraft that wasn't anything that

2056
01:29:13,430 --> 01:29:10,320
i've ever seen before

2057
01:29:14,950 --> 01:29:13,440
that was incredible peter let's take a

2058
01:29:17,590 --> 01:29:14,960
break we will continue

2059
01:29:19,750 --> 01:29:17,600
all of this when we come back our guest

2060
01:29:22,790 --> 01:29:19,760
peter davenport from the national

2061
01:29:24,790 --> 01:29:22,800
ufo reporting center it's night one of

2062
01:29:47,669 --> 01:29:24,800
ufo week here on fade to black more with

2063
01:29:53,910 --> 01:29:50,790
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2064
01:29:55,750 --> 01:29:53,920
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2065
01:29:56,950 --> 01:29:55,760
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2066
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2068
01:30:20,550 --> 01:30:17,830
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2069
01:30:21,910 --> 01:30:20,560
not of course you do this is jimmy

2070
01:30:24,910 --> 01:30:21,920
churchill fade to black

2071
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2072
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2087
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2093
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2101
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2102
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2103
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2104
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2107
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2108
01:32:01,030 --> 01:31:59,910
hi i'm rhys evans you're listening to

2109
01:32:04,149 --> 01:32:01,040
jimmy church

2110
01:32:05,510 --> 01:32:04,159
this is revolution the revolution will

2111
01:32:10,830 --> 01:32:05,520
not be televised

2112
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:38,830
ciao

2113
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:51,350
hey

2114
01:32:54,950 --> 01:32:53,110
all right welcome back fade to black our

2115
01:32:58,310 --> 01:32:54,960
guest tonight peter davenport the

2116
01:33:00,790 --> 01:32:58,320
national ufo reporting center

2117
01:33:02,790 --> 01:33:00,800
such an honor and a privilege uh peter

2118
01:33:04,229 --> 01:33:02,800
to have you with us tonight and uh

2119
01:33:06,870 --> 01:33:04,239
everybody out there listening

2120
01:33:07,510 --> 01:33:06,880
it's uh it's just great uh your

2121
01:33:10,229 --> 01:33:07,520
knowledge

2122
01:33:11,590 --> 01:33:10,239
and and and and what you bring to the

2123
01:33:13,590 --> 01:33:11,600
table for this community

2124
01:33:15,750 --> 01:33:13,600
i i just can't imagine and i thought

2125
01:33:17,830 --> 01:33:15,760
that i've done a lot of research but

2126
01:33:19,590 --> 01:33:17,840
uh especially going through this list

2127
01:33:22,070 --> 01:33:19,600
and just thinking to myself

2128
01:33:24,790 --> 01:33:22,080
this is just uh this is just a partial

2129
01:33:27,189 --> 01:33:24,800
day of the life of peter davenport

2130
01:33:29,030 --> 01:33:27,199
it's just just a great thanks for the

2131
01:33:30,229 --> 01:33:29,040
kind words they go a long way and you

2132
01:33:32,229 --> 01:33:30,239
followed you and it's

2133
01:33:35,030 --> 01:33:32,239
absolutely a delight to work with you

2134
01:33:37,750 --> 01:33:35,040
jimmy you're just a wonderful host and

2135
01:33:39,430 --> 01:33:37,760
gracious and i'll work with you anytime

2136
01:33:41,350 --> 01:33:39,440
well you know you know what

2137
01:33:42,950 --> 01:33:41,360
one of one of the one of the coolest

2138
01:33:46,709 --> 01:33:42,960
days of my life

2139
01:33:50,229 --> 01:33:46,719
was uh the day that uh george called

2140
01:33:53,750 --> 01:33:50,239
and he said he said jimmy um listen uh

2141
01:33:56,070 --> 01:33:53,760
if it if it's okay um uh i'd like for

2142
01:33:58,470 --> 01:33:56,080
you to have peter davenport on coast to

2143
01:34:02,709 --> 01:33:58,480
coast this weekend i said dude

2144
01:34:06,790 --> 01:34:04,950
somebody pinched me clearly yeah that

2145
01:34:07,270 --> 01:34:06,800
was delightful to be on that program

2146
01:34:09,669 --> 01:34:07,280
with you

2147
01:34:11,110 --> 01:34:09,679
that was great that was great now this

2148
01:34:11,669 --> 01:34:11,120
is what i want to do i want to pick the

2149
01:34:15,110 --> 01:34:11,679
brain of

2150
01:34:17,430 --> 01:34:15,120
peter davenport there are

2151
01:34:18,950 --> 01:34:17,440
uh and i'm asked this question all the

2152
01:34:19,750 --> 01:34:18,960
time so i'm going to ask this question

2153
01:34:21,510 --> 01:34:19,760
of you

2154
01:34:22,790 --> 01:34:21,520
what people come up to me and go jimmy

2155
01:34:25,189 --> 01:34:22,800
what's the what's the one

2156
01:34:27,030 --> 01:34:25,199
case jimmy what's the one you know

2157
01:34:28,470 --> 01:34:27,040
what's your list what's your

2158
01:34:31,030 --> 01:34:28,480
i'm gonna i'm gonna do that with you

2159
01:34:33,110 --> 01:34:31,040
right now if there was one case

2160
01:34:35,350 --> 01:34:33,120
that you don't think it gets enough

2161
01:34:38,950 --> 01:34:35,360
attention what case would that would

2162
01:34:40,950 --> 01:34:38,960
what would that be yeah well one comes

2163
01:34:42,390 --> 01:34:40,960
to mind immediately and i'm looking at

2164
01:34:45,350 --> 01:34:42,400
it on my list

2165
01:34:46,149 --> 01:34:45,360
it's a an incident that occurred in

2166
01:34:50,790 --> 01:34:46,159
meriwether

2167
01:34:54,070 --> 01:34:50,800
county georgia april 13 2003

2168
01:34:55,590 --> 01:34:54,080
three adults two brothers and the wife

2169
01:34:58,709 --> 01:34:55,600
of one of the brothers

2170
01:34:59,430 --> 01:34:58,719
were driving on a rural highway in

2171
01:35:01,910 --> 01:34:59,440
georgia

2172
01:35:03,910 --> 01:35:01,920
mary again this is meriwether county

2173
01:35:06,790 --> 01:35:03,920
georgia

2174
01:35:08,390 --> 01:35:06,800
and the driver looked in his rear view

2175
01:35:11,669 --> 01:35:08,400
mirror jimmy and he saw

2176
01:35:13,830 --> 01:35:11,679
a bunch of flashing lights and i did i

2177
01:35:16,950 --> 01:35:13,840
don't know for sure what color he saw

2178
01:35:19,510 --> 01:35:16,960
but i think they were orange lights

2179
01:35:22,229 --> 01:35:19,520
and his first reaction was that he was

2180
01:35:25,510 --> 01:35:22,239
being pulled over by a

2181
01:35:28,070 --> 01:35:25,520
law enforcement a cruiser okay so he

2182
01:35:31,189 --> 01:35:28,080
turned on his signal and pulled off and

2183
01:35:34,070 --> 01:35:31,199
then he realized that those

2184
01:35:36,629 --> 01:35:34,080
lights were not part of a cruiser not

2185
01:35:39,830 --> 01:35:36,639
part of a flasher bar

2186
01:35:43,750 --> 01:35:39,840
but they were individual lights and now

2187
01:35:46,390 --> 01:35:43,760
they were inside his vehicle

2188
01:35:48,629 --> 01:35:46,400
and it was a whole bunch of orange

2189
01:35:51,430 --> 01:35:48,639
lights about the size of

2190
01:35:52,629 --> 01:35:51,440
somewhere between an acorn and a walnut

2191
01:35:56,629 --> 01:35:52,639
swirling

2192
01:35:59,350 --> 01:35:56,639
inside his vehicle and

2193
01:36:00,550 --> 01:35:59,360
here's where it gets very interesting

2194
01:36:02,390 --> 01:36:00,560
not only did they get

2195
01:36:03,830 --> 01:36:02,400
inside the vehicle all the windows were

2196
01:36:07,189 --> 01:36:03,840
closed

2197
01:36:09,910 --> 01:36:07,199
but one of the i believe the driver if

2198
01:36:13,750 --> 01:36:09,920
i'm not mistaken

2199
01:36:17,030 --> 01:36:13,760
had had recently had had a colostomy so

2200
01:36:19,510 --> 01:36:17,040
he still had a surgical scar

2201
01:36:21,830 --> 01:36:19,520
and at one point during this brief

2202
01:36:24,390 --> 01:36:21,840
interlude

2203
01:36:27,990 --> 01:36:24,400
several of the objects maybe many of

2204
01:36:32,070 --> 01:36:28,000
them i don't know the exact number

2205
01:36:34,229 --> 01:36:32,080
coalesced and gravitated to the area

2206
01:36:35,270 --> 01:36:34,239
of his abdomen directly over the

2207
01:36:38,629 --> 01:36:35,280
colostomy

2208
01:36:42,310 --> 01:36:38,639
in other words those objects understood

2209
01:36:45,669 --> 01:36:42,320
they knew that he had had a colostomy

2210
01:36:48,149 --> 01:36:45,679
and they were interested in it and that

2211
01:36:49,990 --> 01:36:48,159
that case can be i'm sure it's still

2212
01:36:53,189 --> 01:36:50,000
posted to our website

2213
01:36:56,870 --> 01:36:53,199
april 13 2003 at 7

2214
01:37:00,790 --> 01:36:56,880
45 pm eastern it was dark

2215
01:37:03,750 --> 01:37:00,800
did you did uh did you have a chance to

2216
01:37:04,149 --> 01:37:03,760
interview oh i interviewed all three of

2217
01:37:07,189 --> 01:37:04,159
them

2218
01:37:09,109 --> 01:37:07,199
okay this let me ask you a couple of

2219
01:37:12,950 --> 01:37:09,119
questions here that

2220
01:37:15,430 --> 01:37:12,960
that doesn't sound like a fun experience

2221
01:37:17,750 --> 01:37:15,440
that almost sounds frightening uh how

2222
01:37:21,750 --> 01:37:17,760
did it affect them

2223
01:37:23,830 --> 01:37:21,760
well they didn't express particular fear

2224
01:37:25,669 --> 01:37:23,840
as i recall i interviewed all three of

2225
01:37:28,310 --> 01:37:25,679
them shortly after the event had

2226
01:37:33,430 --> 01:37:30,870
they weren't terrified they were more

2227
01:37:36,470 --> 01:37:33,440
amused and baffled and

2228
01:37:37,830 --> 01:37:36,480
shocked by it but they didn't as i

2229
01:37:40,870 --> 01:37:37,840
remember they didn't express

2230
01:37:43,990 --> 01:37:40,880
fear the reason i dare cite this case

2231
01:37:45,430 --> 01:37:44,000
as bizarre as it is is the state

2232
01:37:49,830 --> 01:37:45,440
director of mufon

2233
01:37:51,910 --> 01:37:49,840
i called him and

2234
01:37:53,830 --> 01:37:51,920
recommended that he investigate this one

2235
01:37:57,270 --> 01:37:53,840
he interviewed all three

2236
01:37:59,910 --> 01:37:57,280
as i remember and his

2237
01:38:02,310 --> 01:37:59,920
impression after the interviews his

2238
01:38:05,350 --> 01:38:02,320
impression was that

2239
01:38:09,669 --> 01:38:05,360
they were every bit as

2240
01:38:11,430 --> 01:38:09,679
reliable witnesses as i i felt they were

2241
01:38:12,950 --> 01:38:11,440
i've forgotten the investigator's name

2242
01:38:15,669 --> 01:38:12,960
i'm embarrassed

2243
01:38:17,830 --> 01:38:15,679
but he was impressed with the quality of

2244
01:38:18,470 --> 01:38:17,840
the witnesses and the quality of the

2245
01:38:21,990 --> 01:38:18,480
incident

2246
01:38:23,990 --> 01:38:22,000
so they were not afraid so the

2247
01:38:25,189 --> 01:38:24,000
the the lights didn't pose they didn't

2248
01:38:28,950 --> 01:38:25,199
feel that

2249
01:38:32,870 --> 01:38:28,960
they weren't threatened they didn't

2250
01:38:36,229 --> 01:38:32,880
express threat express the feeling of

2251
01:38:39,270 --> 01:38:36,239
being threatened no as i remember but

2252
01:38:41,750 --> 01:38:39,280
bear in mind this is all 17 years ago

2253
01:38:42,790 --> 01:38:41,760
right and and do you remember how it

2254
01:38:45,189 --> 01:38:42,800
concluded

2255
01:38:46,390 --> 01:38:45,199
did the did the lights then exit the

2256
01:38:49,430 --> 01:38:46,400
vehicle and they

2257
01:38:50,870 --> 01:38:49,440
just continued their drive yeah i'm

2258
01:38:53,910 --> 01:38:50,880
sorry i interrupted you

2259
01:38:56,229 --> 01:38:53,920
they just suddenly disappeared and how

2260
01:39:00,950 --> 01:38:56,239
that can take place i have no idea

2261
01:39:04,149 --> 01:39:00,960
but it was in my opinion a solid case

2262
01:39:06,229 --> 01:39:04,159
and the mufon state director felt the

2263
01:39:09,030 --> 01:39:06,239
same way about it

2264
01:39:10,870 --> 01:39:09,040
it tells us that there's a great deal

2265
01:39:12,550 --> 01:39:10,880
about this phenomenon that we're not

2266
01:39:15,990 --> 01:39:12,560
aware of

2267
01:39:18,390 --> 01:39:16,000
and a great deal about alien

2268
01:39:20,229 --> 01:39:18,400
intelligence and its relationship to

2269
01:39:22,470 --> 01:39:20,239
mankind that we

2270
01:39:25,030 --> 01:39:22,480
know absolutely nothing about we're only

2271
01:39:28,709 --> 01:39:25,040
just beginning to awaken to it

2272
01:39:31,270 --> 01:39:28,719
i i talk about rendal shim a lot

2273
01:39:32,149 --> 01:39:31,280
and uh you know of course travis walton

2274
01:39:44,709 --> 01:39:32,159
and

2275
01:39:48,629 --> 01:39:44,719
these witnesses today

2276
01:39:49,590 --> 01:39:48,639
and there is a part of it because we

2277
01:39:52,310 --> 01:39:49,600
always go back to

2278
01:39:53,430 --> 01:39:52,320
roswell where we talk about things that

2279
01:39:55,750 --> 01:39:53,440
um

2280
01:39:58,229 --> 01:39:55,760
that we may or may not be able to get to

2281
01:40:00,870 --> 01:39:58,239
the you know it's like ancient history

2282
01:40:01,669 --> 01:40:00,880
it's 70 years ago but it's recent

2283
01:40:05,910 --> 01:40:01,679
history but

2284
01:40:08,310 --> 01:40:05,920
it's it's not as current as other cases

2285
01:40:09,270 --> 01:40:08,320
that should be out there right now and

2286
01:40:12,470 --> 01:40:09,280
discussed

2287
01:40:13,430 --> 01:40:12,480
um but that's that's you know part of my

2288
01:40:16,070 --> 01:40:13,440
list of

2289
01:40:18,229 --> 01:40:16,080
important cases and and what about you

2290
01:40:21,270 --> 01:40:18,239
do you have the same type of list or

2291
01:40:23,750 --> 01:40:21,280
or am i missing something yeah i'm sure

2292
01:40:27,910 --> 01:40:23,760
i do a mental list anyway

2293
01:40:29,430 --> 01:40:27,920
uh i ruminate on these cases all the

2294
01:40:31,830 --> 01:40:29,440
time and

2295
01:40:33,669 --> 01:40:31,840
the list of some of the better cases

2296
01:40:38,470 --> 01:40:33,679
that i sent you

2297
01:40:42,229 --> 01:40:40,790
i just can't get them out of my mind

2298
01:40:46,310 --> 01:40:42,239
they're

2299
01:40:48,229 --> 01:40:46,320
important i feel

2300
01:40:49,669 --> 01:40:48,239
and tell us a great deal about our

2301
01:40:52,870 --> 01:40:49,679
relationship to this

2302
01:40:56,709 --> 01:40:52,880
ufo phenomenon whatever it may be

2303
01:40:59,669 --> 01:40:56,719
and you sent me uh i i talked about this

2304
01:41:02,870 --> 01:40:59,679
a few years ago i was probably five or

2305
01:41:06,470 --> 01:41:02,880
six years ago here on on fade to black

2306
01:41:11,030 --> 01:41:06,480
which is the case of todd sees oh yes

2307
01:41:12,310 --> 01:41:11,040
yeah and the for most of the listeners

2308
01:41:15,669 --> 01:41:12,320
out there

2309
01:41:19,430 --> 01:41:15,679
this is one of uh

2310
01:41:21,669 --> 01:41:19,440
the it's it's two things it's two things

2311
01:41:23,350 --> 01:41:21,679
it's the most documented and

2312
01:41:26,550 --> 01:41:23,360
undocumented case

2313
01:41:28,070 --> 01:41:26,560
right like of all time it's it's very

2314
01:41:32,550 --> 01:41:28,080
strange because we have

2315
01:41:35,350 --> 01:41:32,560
all of the official information um uh

2316
01:41:37,189 --> 01:41:35,360
and then we have the other lack of

2317
01:41:39,350 --> 01:41:37,199
investigation

2318
01:41:40,310 --> 01:41:39,360
and the lack of document it's a very

2319
01:41:43,990 --> 01:41:40,320
strange

2320
01:41:46,470 --> 01:41:44,000
situation here with todd sees

2321
01:41:47,510 --> 01:41:46,480
yeah it really is the thing that really

2322
01:41:50,629 --> 01:41:47,520
stands out though

2323
01:41:52,709 --> 01:41:50,639
is that the public officials the public

2324
01:41:55,990 --> 01:41:52,719
servants who were involved with it

2325
01:41:59,030 --> 01:41:56,000
uh police investigators and the

2326
01:42:00,950 --> 01:41:59,040
coroner of northumberland county

2327
01:42:02,310 --> 01:42:00,960
refused to talk about it in fact they

2328
01:42:04,790 --> 01:42:02,320
threatened

2329
01:42:06,149 --> 01:42:04,800
not they at least one of these parties i

2330
01:42:09,430 --> 01:42:06,159
just cited

2331
01:42:12,709 --> 01:42:09,440
threatened to arrest one

2332
01:42:14,950 --> 01:42:12,719
investigator if he persisted he said

2333
01:42:15,990 --> 01:42:14,960
he shouldn't be investigating that case

2334
01:42:19,030 --> 01:42:16,000
which is a

2335
01:42:22,550 --> 01:42:19,040
rather cheeky comment to make

2336
01:42:25,030 --> 01:42:22,560
for a law enforcement officer

2337
01:42:26,550 --> 01:42:25,040
but it's a ver i agree it's a very

2338
01:42:28,550 --> 01:42:26,560
interesting case and

2339
01:42:31,750 --> 01:42:28,560
i've actually discussed this case

2340
01:42:34,950 --> 01:42:31,760
briefly with david politis

2341
01:42:38,550 --> 01:42:34,960
i heard him on coast one night and

2342
01:42:39,669 --> 01:42:38,560
the todd c's case came to mind

2343
01:42:43,189 --> 01:42:39,679
immediately

2344
01:42:45,189 --> 01:42:43,199
since he was he was missing for some 40

2345
01:42:48,070 --> 01:42:45,199
hours after he was seen

2346
01:42:48,709 --> 01:42:48,080
being taken up into a saucer allegedly

2347
01:42:52,470 --> 01:42:48,719
right

2348
01:42:54,229 --> 01:42:52,480
but i can describe it for the benefit of

2349
01:42:54,870 --> 01:42:54,239
some of our listeners who may not know

2350
01:42:56,629 --> 01:42:54,880
the case

2351
01:42:57,830 --> 01:42:56,639
yeah let's let's get into this a little

2352
01:42:59,669 --> 01:42:57,840
bit it's it's one of the most

2353
01:43:02,709 --> 01:42:59,679
fascinating cases out there

2354
01:43:05,750 --> 01:43:02,719
but but yeah i agree but let me uh

2355
01:43:09,270 --> 01:43:05,760
let me read this uh to the audience

2356
01:43:11,430 --> 01:43:09,280
uh because you you wouldn't do this

2357
01:43:13,350 --> 01:43:11,440
but i'm going to do it for you which is

2358
01:43:16,550 --> 01:43:13,360
this on wednesday

2359
01:43:19,750 --> 01:43:16,560
august 28th of 2002 the national

2360
01:43:21,910 --> 01:43:19,760
ufo reporting center newfork received a

2361
01:43:24,470 --> 01:43:21,920
brief one-paragraph report

2362
01:43:27,590 --> 01:43:24,480
criticizing our center for not having

2363
01:43:29,990 --> 01:43:27,600
covered an alleged alien abduction

2364
01:43:32,470 --> 01:43:30,000
which the source of the note asserted

2365
01:43:34,310 --> 01:43:32,480
had occurred in lewisburg pennsylvania

2366
01:43:37,189 --> 01:43:34,320
even though the report did not appear to

2367
01:43:39,430 --> 01:43:37,199
be either serious or carefully prepared

2368
01:43:40,550 --> 01:43:39,440
we responded nevertheless requesting

2369
01:43:43,510 --> 01:43:40,560
more information

2370
01:43:46,229 --> 01:43:43,520
from the anonymous source the individual

2371
01:43:47,109 --> 01:43:46,239
responded via email describing the death

2372
01:43:50,229 --> 01:43:47,119
of mr

2373
01:43:54,149 --> 01:43:50,239
todd sees so let's start

2374
01:43:57,270 --> 01:43:54,159
there so you were brought into this um

2375
01:44:00,470 --> 01:43:57,280
who was todd sees

2376
01:44:00,790 --> 01:44:00,480
todd sees was a young fellow i think he

2377
01:44:04,790 --> 01:44:00,800
was

2378
01:44:07,669 --> 01:44:04,800
39 at the time of his alleged abduction

2379
01:44:09,510 --> 01:44:07,679
he had a family had an 18 year old son

2380
01:44:14,149 --> 01:44:09,520
had a wife

2381
01:44:16,149 --> 01:44:14,159
and i've forgotten what his trade was he

2382
01:44:17,669 --> 01:44:16,159
he had a local job he was a steady

2383
01:44:21,750 --> 01:44:17,679
worker

2384
01:44:24,310 --> 01:44:21,760
and one sunday morning august 4th

2385
01:44:26,870 --> 01:44:24,320
he decided to go up to his family

2386
01:44:28,709 --> 01:44:26,880
property on mount montour which is

2387
01:44:31,270 --> 01:44:28,719
one of the higher mountains in the state

2388
01:44:34,310 --> 01:44:31,280
of pennsylvania i understand

2389
01:44:36,390 --> 01:44:34,320
to i believe scout out populations of

2390
01:44:39,189 --> 01:44:36,400
deer in preparation for the upcoming

2391
01:44:42,070 --> 01:44:39,199
pennsylvania deer season

2392
01:44:43,910 --> 01:44:42,080
well he was heard leaving his home at

2393
01:44:47,669 --> 01:44:43,920
five o'clock in the morning

2394
01:44:51,430 --> 01:44:47,679
on an all-terrain vehicle atv

2395
01:44:53,910 --> 01:44:51,440
and he apparently drove the two or three

2396
01:44:58,070 --> 01:44:53,920
miles up to the family property

2397
01:45:02,550 --> 01:44:58,080
which had i believe been in his family

2398
01:45:06,790 --> 01:45:02,560
for several generations of the seas

2399
01:45:09,910 --> 01:45:06,800
well at 5 30 that morning it is alleged

2400
01:45:12,070 --> 01:45:09,920
four witnesses four trout fishermen who

2401
01:45:12,870 --> 01:45:12,080
were floating down the susquehanna river

2402
01:45:16,149 --> 01:45:12,880
that

2403
01:45:20,149 --> 01:45:16,159
courses around the base of the mountain

2404
01:45:23,270 --> 01:45:20,159
montour saw a man's body

2405
01:45:26,229 --> 01:45:23,280
clad only in t-shirt and shorts

2406
01:45:26,950 --> 01:45:26,239
being floated up what appeared to them

2407
01:45:31,510 --> 01:45:26,960
to be a

2408
01:45:33,350 --> 01:45:31,520
shaft of light into the bottom of a disk

2409
01:45:34,950 --> 01:45:33,360
that was hovering above the top of the

2410
01:45:38,390 --> 01:45:34,960
mountain

2411
01:45:40,550 --> 01:45:38,400
now unfortunately this is

2412
01:45:41,669 --> 01:45:40,560
information that came from only one

2413
01:45:43,510 --> 01:45:41,679
witness

2414
01:45:45,590 --> 01:45:43,520
and we were unable to get in touch with

2415
01:45:49,270 --> 01:45:45,600
the other witnesses

2416
01:45:51,270 --> 01:45:49,280
but later that morning when todd sees

2417
01:45:53,430 --> 01:45:51,280
had not returned home

2418
01:45:54,470 --> 01:45:53,440
at the time he told his wife he would be

2419
01:45:58,550 --> 01:45:54,480
there

2420
01:46:00,629 --> 01:45:58,560
she requested that their teenage son

2421
01:46:02,229 --> 01:46:00,639
go up and find out why dad's running

2422
01:46:04,790 --> 01:46:02,239
late

2423
01:46:06,629 --> 01:46:04,800
so he went up and he was confronted with

2424
01:46:09,750 --> 01:46:06,639
a very unsettling

2425
01:46:12,310 --> 01:46:09,760
scene his father's what he

2426
01:46:15,189 --> 01:46:12,320
assumed was his father's outer garments

2427
01:46:17,590 --> 01:46:15,199
trousers field trousers and jacket

2428
01:46:20,149 --> 01:46:17,600
were neatly folded in line on the back

2429
01:46:22,790 --> 01:46:20,159
of his all-terrain vehicle

2430
01:46:23,830 --> 01:46:22,800
what troubled the son most of all though

2431
01:46:27,030 --> 01:46:23,840
is he

2432
01:46:28,550 --> 01:46:27,040
saw what he perceived to be his father's

2433
01:46:32,709 --> 01:46:28,560
boot

2434
01:46:35,669 --> 01:46:32,719
one or two perhaps i don't know which

2435
01:46:37,350 --> 01:46:35,679
uh hanging high in a tree perhaps 40 or

2436
01:46:40,629 --> 01:46:37,360
60 feet off the ground

2437
01:46:44,310 --> 01:46:40,639
that troubled him so he went back to his

2438
01:46:45,430 --> 01:46:44,320
mother's his parents home apprised his

2439
01:46:48,629 --> 01:46:45,440
mother of what it

2440
01:46:51,030 --> 01:46:48,639
he had discovered up there and she was

2441
01:46:55,510 --> 01:46:51,040
alarmed so she contacted the local

2442
01:46:57,750 --> 01:46:55,520
police and in the final analysis

2443
01:46:59,990 --> 01:46:57,760
a search party was assembled very

2444
01:47:03,350 --> 01:47:00,000
quickly amounting to

2445
01:47:06,470 --> 01:47:03,360
approximately 200 searchers

2446
01:47:07,750 --> 01:47:06,480
with helicopters with motorized vehicles

2447
01:47:11,270 --> 01:47:07,760
on horseback

2448
01:47:12,390 --> 01:47:11,280
on foot they had divers scuba divers to

2449
01:47:16,470 --> 01:47:12,400
check the local

2450
01:47:17,430 --> 01:47:16,480
bodies of water and they could not find

2451
01:47:20,870 --> 01:47:17,440
him and

2452
01:47:22,229 --> 01:47:20,880
quit the search later that sunday night

2453
01:47:24,470 --> 01:47:22,239
at dark

2454
01:47:26,550 --> 01:47:24,480
well they reconvened the next morning

2455
01:47:28,550 --> 01:47:26,560
monday morning the 5th of august now i

2456
01:47:31,109 --> 01:47:28,560
believe it is

2457
01:47:33,189 --> 01:47:31,119
and continued the search all monday and

2458
01:47:36,310 --> 01:47:33,199
they still didn't find him until

2459
01:47:37,830 --> 01:47:36,320
monday evening the son who had

2460
01:47:40,870 --> 01:47:37,840
discovered this

2461
01:47:42,870 --> 01:47:40,880
his father's clothing and boot tangled

2462
01:47:47,590 --> 01:47:42,880
in the tree

2463
01:47:53,910 --> 01:47:47,600
uh was searching around the family home

2464
01:47:58,629 --> 01:47:56,709
i don't know what to call it he he

2465
01:48:01,990 --> 01:47:58,639
discovered human remains

2466
01:48:03,430 --> 01:48:02,000
hanging in either heavy underbrush or a

2467
01:48:06,229 --> 01:48:03,440
tree

2468
01:48:07,590 --> 01:48:06,239
and he's they summoned the police the

2469
01:48:09,590 --> 01:48:07,600
police

2470
01:48:11,510 --> 01:48:09,600
cordoned off the area of course and they

2471
01:48:14,550 --> 01:48:11,520
removed the remains

2472
01:48:16,950 --> 01:48:14,560
i think they established very quickly

2473
01:48:18,550 --> 01:48:16,960
that it was the remains of todd sees but

2474
01:48:21,750 --> 01:48:18,560
it was not

2475
01:48:24,709 --> 01:48:21,760
all that easy to do allegedly because

2476
01:48:25,030 --> 01:48:24,719
the remains were so grossly mutilated it

2477
01:48:29,109 --> 01:48:25,040
was

2478
01:48:31,750 --> 01:48:29,119
difficult to positively identify him

2479
01:48:33,270 --> 01:48:31,760
the remains were allegedly taken to a

2480
01:48:35,750 --> 01:48:33,280
local hospital

2481
01:48:37,910 --> 01:48:35,760
where several physicians and nurses were

2482
01:48:42,550 --> 01:48:37,920
witness to the

2483
01:48:46,070 --> 01:48:42,560
the decedent's body

2484
01:48:47,270 --> 01:48:46,080
which was very quickly taken possession

2485
01:48:50,070 --> 01:48:47,280
of by the

2486
01:48:52,070 --> 01:48:50,080
local coroner of northumberland county

2487
01:48:56,470 --> 01:48:52,080
james kelly

2488
01:48:59,030 --> 01:48:56,480
i talked to coroner kelly

2489
01:49:01,030 --> 01:48:59,040
probably in late august this is now two

2490
01:49:01,669 --> 01:49:01,040
or three weeks after the incident had

2491
01:49:05,669 --> 01:49:01,679
occurred

2492
01:49:07,990 --> 01:49:05,679
i knew nothing about it until

2493
01:49:10,390 --> 01:49:08,000
several weeks after the incident i

2494
01:49:13,830 --> 01:49:10,400
called james kelly

2495
01:49:14,790 --> 01:49:13,840
and asked him whether a death had

2496
01:49:16,790 --> 01:49:14,800
occurred

2497
01:49:19,589 --> 01:49:16,800
and he said yes i asked him whether it

2498
01:49:22,550 --> 01:49:19,599
was a homicide or a natural death

2499
01:49:23,510 --> 01:49:22,560
and i don't remember his answer to that

2500
01:49:25,990 --> 01:49:23,520
but

2501
01:49:28,390 --> 01:49:26,000
i asked him whether photographs had been

2502
01:49:29,830 --> 01:49:28,400
taken of the decedent's remains during

2503
01:49:33,109 --> 01:49:29,840
autopsy

2504
01:49:35,030 --> 01:49:33,119
and he said yes photos were taken but i

2505
01:49:38,629 --> 01:49:35,040
would never see them a

2506
01:49:41,589 --> 01:49:38,639
myself and they would never be

2507
01:49:42,070 --> 01:49:41,599
issued publicly which i thought was very

2508
01:49:45,990 --> 01:49:42,080
unu

2509
01:49:49,350 --> 01:49:46,000
servant to make

2510
01:49:50,390 --> 01:49:49,360
knowing that these are matters of public

2511
01:49:52,550 --> 01:49:50,400
record

2512
01:49:54,950 --> 01:49:52,560
so that's the tie in a nutshell that's a

2513
01:49:58,629 --> 01:49:54,960
todd c's story

2514
01:50:01,350 --> 01:49:58,639
and to to my the best of my knowledge

2515
01:50:02,149 --> 01:50:01,360
it has not been resolved to this day no

2516
01:50:05,350 --> 01:50:02,159
it happened

2517
01:50:07,990 --> 01:50:05,360
no it hasn't and let's

2518
01:50:09,350 --> 01:50:08,000
i want to stay back on that timeline

2519
01:50:13,830 --> 01:50:09,360
because

2520
01:50:15,109 --> 01:50:13,840
uh the the early august dates have been

2521
01:50:18,629 --> 01:50:15,119
established uh

2522
01:50:22,709 --> 01:50:18,639
from his uh son and wife

2523
01:50:23,109 --> 01:50:22,719
um and uh the the neighbors that heard

2524
01:50:25,830 --> 01:50:23,119
him

2525
01:50:26,229 --> 01:50:25,840
leave on his atv early in the morning

2526
01:50:29,510 --> 01:50:26,239
right

2527
01:50:30,790 --> 01:50:29,520
so that that's been established you came

2528
01:50:33,750 --> 01:50:30,800
into the picture

2529
01:50:35,589 --> 01:50:33,760
in september so about three weeks later

2530
01:50:38,790 --> 01:50:35,599
right

2531
01:50:41,350 --> 01:50:38,800
well i came in in mid to late august

2532
01:50:42,550 --> 01:50:41,360
i had posted the one report we'd

2533
01:50:44,709 --> 01:50:42,560
received

2534
01:50:45,669 --> 01:50:44,719
and i apparently had not paid close

2535
01:50:49,109 --> 01:50:45,679
attention to it

2536
01:50:50,310 --> 01:50:49,119
because i when i received a hostile

2537
01:50:53,589 --> 01:50:50,320
email about

2538
01:50:56,950 --> 01:50:53,599
the in late

2539
01:50:59,510 --> 01:50:56,960
may of that year i had to go back and

2540
01:51:01,830 --> 01:50:59,520
look at the case because i had not

2541
01:51:03,030 --> 01:51:01,840
not noted it at the time when i posted

2542
01:51:06,149 --> 01:51:03,040
it

2543
01:51:07,430 --> 01:51:06,159
so i really didn't was not aware of the

2544
01:51:10,709 --> 01:51:07,440
case until late

2545
01:51:14,149 --> 01:51:10,719
may so i'm saying

2546
01:51:19,350 --> 01:51:14,159
late august late august late august

2547
01:51:19,360 --> 01:51:22,550
but but anyway

2548
01:51:25,830 --> 01:51:25,270
but staying on this timeline the reason

2549
01:51:29,030 --> 01:51:25,840
why

2550
01:51:29,510 --> 01:51:29,040
um i think this is important here is

2551
01:51:32,310 --> 01:51:29,520
that

2552
01:51:33,350 --> 01:51:32,320
you weren't hearing this second and

2553
01:51:35,270 --> 01:51:33,360
third hand

2554
01:51:37,030 --> 01:51:35,280
you were calling the police department

2555
01:51:39,109 --> 01:51:37,040
you were speaking with the sergeant that

2556
01:51:40,470 --> 01:51:39,119
was investigating the case you spoke to

2557
01:51:43,990 --> 01:51:40,480
the coroner

2558
01:51:46,470 --> 01:51:44,000
and uh immediately after

2559
01:51:47,589 --> 01:51:46,480
all of this happened three weeks is is

2560
01:51:50,310 --> 01:51:47,599
nothing

2561
01:51:52,950 --> 01:51:50,320
and so uh you know when you get into

2562
01:51:56,390 --> 01:51:52,960
late august first week of september

2563
01:52:01,189 --> 01:51:56,400
this is a case that is that is active

2564
01:52:03,910 --> 01:52:01,199
and the the local police

2565
01:52:04,950 --> 01:52:03,920
do not want to talk to you about it the

2566
01:52:07,189 --> 01:52:04,960
the coroner

2567
01:52:08,390 --> 01:52:07,199
doesn't want to talk to you about it

2568
01:52:10,950 --> 01:52:08,400
there is obviously

2569
01:52:12,470 --> 01:52:10,960
something going on and one of the key

2570
01:52:15,990 --> 01:52:12,480
things here

2571
01:52:18,870 --> 01:52:16,000
is that either it's a murder

2572
01:52:20,149 --> 01:52:18,880
or they've got a wild animal on on the

2573
01:52:23,109 --> 01:52:20,159
loose or they've got

2574
01:52:24,550 --> 01:52:23,119
ufos abducting humans right something is

2575
01:52:27,510 --> 01:52:24,560
going on

2576
01:52:29,830 --> 01:52:27,520
there were yeah and there were a lot of

2577
01:52:30,790 --> 01:52:29,840
reports of of lights in the skies and

2578
01:52:33,030 --> 01:52:30,800
things that

2579
01:52:34,310 --> 01:52:33,040
uh were happening on and around that

2580
01:52:37,830 --> 01:52:34,320
same date

2581
01:52:41,430 --> 01:52:37,840
but his body his clothes his boots

2582
01:52:42,149 --> 01:52:41,440
all separated from by the way in an area

2583
01:52:45,030 --> 01:52:42,159
that he knew

2584
01:52:46,229 --> 01:52:45,040
intimately well this is where he lived

2585
01:52:50,550 --> 01:52:46,239
that's the first thing

2586
01:52:55,990 --> 01:52:50,560
he did this uh venture out on the atv

2587
01:52:59,109 --> 01:52:56,000
all the time and his body was found

2588
01:53:02,390 --> 01:52:59,119
what appeared to be deliberately

2589
01:53:03,990 --> 01:53:02,400
hidden and that that was that was a key

2590
01:53:05,910 --> 01:53:04,000
an animal wouldn't do that

2591
01:53:07,990 --> 01:53:05,920
is what i'm saying right an animal

2592
01:53:11,109 --> 01:53:08,000
wouldn't wouldn't do that

2593
01:53:13,510 --> 01:53:11,119
but why do you think that the local

2594
01:53:16,790 --> 01:53:13,520
police and the coroner

2595
01:53:18,629 --> 01:53:16,800
uh were withholding not only information

2596
01:53:21,910 --> 01:53:18,639
but were unwilling to

2597
01:53:23,510 --> 01:53:21,920
discuss the case at all yeah therein

2598
01:53:25,830 --> 01:53:23,520
lies the rub

2599
01:53:26,870 --> 01:53:25,840
that is what really intrigued me

2600
01:53:30,070 --> 01:53:26,880
initially

2601
01:53:30,950 --> 01:53:30,080
i might not have focused on this case if

2602
01:53:33,189 --> 01:53:30,960
it hadn't been

2603
01:53:34,950 --> 01:53:33,199
for my conversation with the coroner

2604
01:53:37,510 --> 01:53:34,960
james kelly

2605
01:53:40,149 --> 01:53:37,520
because he was clearly very

2606
01:53:42,070 --> 01:53:40,159
uncomfortable in talking with me

2607
01:53:43,910 --> 01:53:42,080
and he was trying to get me off the

2608
01:53:47,030 --> 01:53:43,920
phone i felt

2609
01:53:47,990 --> 01:53:47,040
as quickly as possible but when he said

2610
01:53:50,070 --> 01:53:48,000
that

2611
01:53:51,669 --> 01:53:50,080
the photographs of the decedent's

2612
01:53:54,709 --> 01:53:51,679
remains taken that

2613
01:53:58,070 --> 01:53:54,719
autopsy would never be published

2614
01:54:03,189 --> 01:53:58,080
or never be available publicly

2615
01:54:06,870 --> 01:54:03,199
that was a a red flag in my opinion

2616
01:54:09,430 --> 01:54:06,880
um and and the other thing uh

2617
01:54:10,229 --> 01:54:09,440
todd uh taking off his clothes and

2618
01:54:13,350 --> 01:54:10,239
folding them up

2619
01:54:14,709 --> 01:54:13,360
and then going for a jog in the nude it

2620
01:54:16,950 --> 01:54:14,719
just doesn't make any sense

2621
01:54:17,990 --> 01:54:16,960
right and it doesn't make any sense at

2622
01:54:21,350 --> 01:54:18,000
all no

2623
01:54:24,310 --> 01:54:21,360
and i'm reading this is from the

2624
01:54:25,910 --> 01:54:24,320
original report that you let me let me

2625
01:54:29,030 --> 01:54:25,920
actually uh get the date

2626
01:54:32,229 --> 01:54:29,040
on this uh you uh

2627
01:54:34,149 --> 01:54:32,239
published this september 30th 2002. this

2628
01:54:36,470 --> 01:54:34,159
is the original report you've got an

2629
01:54:39,430 --> 01:54:36,480
update here from 2005.

2630
01:54:40,310 --> 01:54:39,440
but what uh what i really appreciate

2631
01:54:44,229 --> 01:54:40,320
from this is

2632
01:54:46,229 --> 01:54:44,239
this was written fresh right

2633
01:54:49,189 --> 01:54:46,239
you're obviously gonna forget details

2634
01:54:52,390 --> 01:54:49,199
but the details that are written here

2635
01:54:54,390 --> 01:54:52,400
are exactly as they happened this is the

2636
01:54:57,350 --> 01:54:54,400
report from 2002.

2637
01:54:57,990 --> 01:54:57,360
now this is what you say here concerning

2638
01:55:00,229 --> 01:54:58,000
uh

2639
01:55:01,910 --> 01:55:00,239
that date in september september 5th i

2640
01:55:05,189 --> 01:55:01,920
believe is the date

2641
01:55:09,030 --> 01:55:05,199
you say here peter that same

2642
01:55:11,189 --> 01:55:09,040
day new fork telephoned the office of mr

2643
01:55:12,310 --> 01:55:11,199
james kelly county coroner for north

2644
01:55:14,310 --> 01:55:12,320
umberland county

2645
01:55:16,550 --> 01:55:14,320
hoping to obtain more information about

2646
01:55:19,510 --> 01:55:16,560
the cause of the victim's death

2647
01:55:20,790 --> 01:55:19,520
in a conversation several days later mr

2648
01:55:23,830 --> 01:55:20,800
kelly apprised

2649
01:55:26,390 --> 01:55:23,840
us that the death had occurred and that

2650
01:55:27,189 --> 01:55:26,400
he had performed the autopsy on the

2651
01:55:29,750 --> 01:55:27,199
victim

2652
01:55:31,350 --> 01:55:29,760
that no cause of death had been

2653
01:55:33,189 --> 01:55:31,360
established

2654
01:55:34,709 --> 01:55:33,199
and that photographs had been taken of

2655
01:55:38,550 --> 01:55:34,719
the victim's remains

2656
01:55:39,510 --> 01:55:38,560
during autopsy he added that the autopsy

2657
01:55:42,709 --> 01:55:39,520
photographs

2658
01:55:45,109 --> 01:55:42,719
are never released mr kelly like

2659
01:55:46,149 --> 01:55:45,119
sergeant cottner the investigating

2660
01:55:48,950 --> 01:55:46,159
officer

2661
01:55:49,750 --> 01:55:48,960
made it clear that he would not discuss

2662
01:55:52,870 --> 01:55:49,760
the case

2663
01:55:57,669 --> 01:55:52,880
in any detail now those are your words

2664
01:56:00,470 --> 01:55:57,679
as you did this report back in 2002

2665
01:56:03,030 --> 01:56:00,480
yeah and that's my recollection and one

2666
01:56:06,229 --> 01:56:03,040
thing i would add to my summary

2667
01:56:09,350 --> 01:56:06,239
of 2000 uh september

2668
01:56:12,629 --> 01:56:09,360
was it 2002 or 2004 i've forgotten

2669
01:56:15,910 --> 01:56:12,639
uh no this was 2002

2670
01:56:19,270 --> 01:56:15,920
and then you updated the report in o5

2671
01:56:22,229 --> 01:56:19,280
yeah the one thing that really

2672
01:56:23,430 --> 01:56:22,239
concerned me that caught my attention

2673
01:56:27,109 --> 01:56:23,440
was that

2674
01:56:29,510 --> 01:56:27,119
when uh coroner kelly told me that the

2675
01:56:31,830 --> 01:56:29,520
photographs would never be released

2676
01:56:33,990 --> 01:56:31,840
i asked him whether they could be

2677
01:56:38,870 --> 01:56:34,000
released to another coroner

2678
01:56:42,070 --> 01:56:38,880
and he said never so that's unusual

2679
01:56:45,830 --> 01:56:42,080
to not

2680
01:56:48,709 --> 01:56:45,840
allow another coroner to take part in a

2681
01:56:51,030 --> 01:56:48,719
an investigation well especially if you

2682
01:56:54,709 --> 01:56:51,040
can't determine a cause of death

2683
01:56:58,470 --> 01:56:54,719
bring in somebody else absolutely

2684
01:57:01,350 --> 01:56:58,480
and in in in all of your years

2685
01:57:02,390 --> 01:57:01,360
on this planet okay i've got i'm i'm

2686
01:57:05,510 --> 01:57:02,400
about to go around

2687
01:57:06,390 --> 01:57:05,520
57 years here next month all right my my

2688
01:57:09,750 --> 01:57:06,400
57th

2689
01:57:10,390 --> 01:57:09,760
year on this planet one of the things

2690
01:57:13,750 --> 01:57:10,400
that

2691
01:57:15,990 --> 01:57:13,760
coroners do is they

2692
01:57:18,790 --> 01:57:16,000
give a cause of death there's something

2693
01:57:21,910 --> 01:57:18,800
on that death certificate

2694
01:57:24,550 --> 01:57:21,920
right how often do you hear a coroner

2695
01:57:26,229 --> 01:57:24,560
say and especially a case like this

2696
01:57:28,550 --> 01:57:26,239
that there's no cause of death that has

2697
01:57:30,629 --> 01:57:28,560
been established well he had a badly

2698
01:57:33,270 --> 01:57:30,639
mutilated body maybe he bled

2699
01:57:36,830 --> 01:57:33,280
out right i mean there's a cause of

2700
01:57:43,750 --> 01:57:40,149
absolutely and the cause of death was

2701
01:57:44,470 --> 01:57:43,760
published was released many weeks later

2702
01:57:48,070 --> 01:57:44,480
i think

2703
01:57:49,270 --> 01:57:48,080
maybe as long as six weeks after the

2704
01:57:55,830 --> 01:57:49,280
death

2705
01:57:57,669 --> 01:57:55,840
drug toxicity they didn't say whether it

2706
01:58:01,109 --> 01:57:57,679
was illegal drugs or

2707
01:58:03,189 --> 01:58:01,119
prescription drugs just drug toxicity

2708
01:58:06,070 --> 01:58:03,199
that's as detailed as the report ever

2709
01:58:09,669 --> 01:58:06,080
got to the best of my knowledge

2710
01:58:13,189 --> 01:58:09,679
that's very unusual and and why do you

2711
01:58:16,310 --> 01:58:13,199
think that there wasn't

2712
01:58:20,070 --> 01:58:16,320
uh a heavy amount of a

2713
01:58:22,550 --> 01:58:20,080
local coverage and b another journalist

2714
01:58:24,629 --> 01:58:22,560
that wanted to get to the bottom of this

2715
01:58:26,149 --> 01:58:24,639
case and why didn't this grab national

2716
01:58:28,870 --> 01:58:26,159
headlines

2717
01:58:30,390 --> 01:58:28,880
yeah well it didn't grab national head

2718
01:58:34,149 --> 01:58:30,400
deadlines but

2719
01:58:35,430 --> 01:58:34,159
despite my efforts to call this case to

2720
01:58:38,709 --> 01:58:35,440
the attention of

2721
01:58:40,790 --> 01:58:38,719
several major newspaper new york times

2722
01:58:42,149 --> 01:58:40,800
philadelphia inquirer which is well

2723
01:58:44,629 --> 01:58:42,159
known for its

2724
01:58:45,750 --> 01:58:44,639
investigative ability and desire to

2725
01:58:48,950 --> 01:58:45,760
investigate

2726
01:58:50,950 --> 01:58:48,960
mysteries like this i couldn't

2727
01:58:52,870 --> 01:58:50,960
in fact i couldn't even get mufon

2728
01:58:56,950 --> 01:58:52,880
interested in it

2729
01:58:57,589 --> 01:58:56,960
i telephoned the eastern regional

2730
01:59:04,470 --> 01:58:57,599
director

2731
01:59:06,229 --> 01:59:04,480
pennsylvania i've forgotten his name now

2732
01:59:08,229 --> 01:59:06,239
and

2733
01:59:09,669 --> 01:59:08,239
they had other things cooking they

2734
01:59:12,709 --> 01:59:09,679
couldn't

2735
01:59:16,229 --> 01:59:12,719
them

2736
01:59:18,550 --> 01:59:16,239
and i was desperate to get anybody

2737
01:59:20,709 --> 01:59:18,560
interested who could go on site and

2738
01:59:23,350 --> 01:59:20,719
start investigating in person

2739
01:59:25,030 --> 01:59:23,360
but i was unsuccessful in doing so it's

2740
01:59:29,350 --> 01:59:25,040
one of the most fascinating cases

2741
01:59:31,270 --> 01:59:29,360
uh period and still completely unsolved

2742
01:59:32,390 --> 01:59:31,280
we need to take a break right here peter

2743
01:59:34,310 --> 01:59:32,400
stay right there

2744
01:59:35,430 --> 01:59:34,320
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01:59:41,189 --> 01:59:39,520
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2748
01:59:42,950 --> 01:59:41,199
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2749
01:59:46,709 --> 01:59:42,960
talk about what maybe

2750
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2751
01:59:51,350 --> 01:59:49,840
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2752
01:59:53,030 --> 01:59:51,360
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2753
02:00:00,709 --> 01:59:53,040
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2801
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2802
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2803
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2804
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2805
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2806
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2807
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2808
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2812
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2813
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2814
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2819
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2820
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2821
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2822
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2823
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2824
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2827
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2829
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2830
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2831
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2832
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2837
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2839
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2863
02:04:34,470 --> 02:04:30,629
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2864
02:04:36,550 --> 02:04:34,480
ponies i really love ponies i'm serious

2865
02:04:38,149 --> 02:04:36,560
i couldn't stay sane without pawn needs

2866
02:04:41,270 --> 02:04:38,159
to rush

2867
02:04:42,229 --> 02:04:41,280
why fade to black because you never got

2868
02:04:46,629 --> 02:04:42,239
that pony

2869
02:04:51,189 --> 02:04:48,790
this is fade to black with jimmy church

2870
02:05:09,109 --> 02:04:51,199
on the game changer radio network

2871
02:05:14,470 --> 02:05:12,310
welcome back fade to black what a great

2872
02:05:14,950 --> 02:05:14,480
night great conversation peter davenport

2873
02:05:19,350 --> 02:05:14,960
of the

2874
02:05:24,310 --> 02:05:22,069
tomorrow night alejandro rojas right

2875
02:05:26,149 --> 02:05:24,320
here and then wednesday night kevin

2876
02:05:28,310 --> 02:05:26,159
estrella's gonna be here from pyramid on

2877
02:05:29,589 --> 02:05:28,320
mars and i just wanted to say i don't

2878
02:05:30,310 --> 02:05:29,599
know if you guys are watching me on the

2879
02:05:33,350 --> 02:05:30,320
cameras

2880
02:05:35,270 --> 02:05:33,360
really quick uh i want to say really

2881
02:05:37,910 --> 02:05:35,280
quick i don't know if you comment

2882
02:05:38,310 --> 02:05:37,920
that white stratocaster hanging on the

2883
02:05:41,270 --> 02:05:38,320
wall

2884
02:05:43,109 --> 02:05:41,280
that one right there i need to play that

2885
02:05:43,990 --> 02:05:43,119
guitar more i just played that during

2886
02:05:47,430 --> 02:05:44,000
the break that

2887
02:05:48,950 --> 02:05:47,440
thing is sick i play all of these hot

2888
02:05:51,750 --> 02:05:48,960
rodded guitars

2889
02:05:53,510 --> 02:05:51,760
that one is old school peter sorry about

2890
02:05:56,709 --> 02:05:53,520
that i had to talk a little guitar

2891
02:06:00,390 --> 02:05:56,719
really quick uh you know what what's

2892
02:06:01,430 --> 02:06:00,400
great uh my studio here peter

2893
02:06:03,589 --> 02:06:01,440
i don't know if you've ever seen

2894
02:06:04,870 --> 02:06:03,599
pictures of it but i'm surrounded by

2895
02:06:08,229 --> 02:06:04,880
guitars

2896
02:06:10,550 --> 02:06:08,239
and and ufos and skulls right that's my

2897
02:06:12,470 --> 02:06:10,560
studio it's all the things that i love

2898
02:06:14,950 --> 02:06:12,480
and so during the commercial breaks

2899
02:06:16,870 --> 02:06:14,960
uh you know i'll pull something down and

2900
02:06:19,350 --> 02:06:16,880
and strum it a little bit

2901
02:06:21,350 --> 02:06:19,360
and uh i don't i don't have enough time

2902
02:06:23,030 --> 02:06:21,360
to play anymore but i do get to play

2903
02:06:26,390 --> 02:06:23,040
during the commercial breaks

2904
02:06:28,870 --> 02:06:26,400
now this is this is uh one of

2905
02:06:30,950 --> 02:06:28,880
the most interesting times that we have

2906
02:06:33,830 --> 02:06:30,960
found ourselves in in ufology

2907
02:06:35,830 --> 02:06:33,840
in in a very long time and certainly we

2908
02:06:39,030 --> 02:06:35,840
have had our peaks and valleys

2909
02:06:42,709 --> 02:06:39,040
over the last 70 years but

2910
02:06:44,149 --> 02:06:42,719
right now things are being talked about

2911
02:06:47,030 --> 02:06:44,159
in the media

2912
02:06:47,669 --> 02:06:47,040
and it seems to be from one direction

2913
02:06:50,629 --> 02:06:47,679
but

2914
02:06:52,790 --> 02:06:50,639
it doesn't matter to me it is it's out

2915
02:06:53,189 --> 02:06:52,800
there and ufos are being talked about

2916
02:06:56,390 --> 02:06:53,199
like

2917
02:06:58,790 --> 02:06:56,400
every single day in the national news

2918
02:06:59,830 --> 02:06:58,800
but i don't think that we are doing

2919
02:07:02,470 --> 02:06:59,840
enough

2920
02:07:04,709 --> 02:07:02,480
ourselves as citizens and we shouldn't

2921
02:07:08,629 --> 02:07:04,719
be depending on

2922
02:07:12,390 --> 02:07:08,639
washington d.c to lead us to disclosure

2923
02:07:15,750 --> 02:07:12,400
one of the things that you have proposed

2924
02:07:17,109 --> 02:07:15,760
is passive radar uh detection uh for

2925
02:07:19,750 --> 02:07:17,119
ufos

2926
02:07:20,629 --> 02:07:19,760
and this is a very interesting subject

2927
02:07:25,270 --> 02:07:20,639
and

2928
02:07:27,430 --> 02:07:25,280
mind i want to go deep into this

2929
02:07:29,189 --> 02:07:27,440
is this isn't an infrastructure we need

2930
02:07:33,030 --> 02:07:29,199
to build it's already there

2931
02:07:36,470 --> 02:07:33,040
isn't it it is it is jimmy and

2932
02:07:39,109 --> 02:07:36,480
thank you very much for allowing me to

2933
02:07:41,430 --> 02:07:39,119
talk about this subject tonight

2934
02:07:43,189 --> 02:07:41,440
i'll tell a little story about how i

2935
02:07:47,510 --> 02:07:43,199
came to realize

2936
02:07:50,790 --> 02:07:47,520
how we have the solution in hand for the

2937
02:07:54,149 --> 02:07:50,800
the ufo subject

2938
02:07:56,069 --> 02:07:54,159
back in january of 1995

2939
02:07:57,750 --> 02:07:56,079
this is just four or five months after

2940
02:08:01,270 --> 02:07:57,760
i'd taken over the hotline

2941
02:08:03,750 --> 02:08:01,280
i was in a panicked state because when i

2942
02:08:04,390 --> 02:08:03,760
consented to take responsibility for the

2943
02:08:08,229 --> 02:08:04,400
hotline

2944
02:08:11,350 --> 02:08:08,239
in the national ufo reporting center

2945
02:08:14,470 --> 02:08:11,360
i ask myself well how many calls could i

2946
02:08:17,510 --> 02:08:14,480
possibly be handling in a day

2947
02:08:21,430 --> 02:08:17,520
and i assume that i might be handling

2948
02:08:23,830 --> 02:08:21,440
maybe one or two or three calls per week

2949
02:08:24,709 --> 02:08:23,840
from people who thought they'd seen ufos

2950
02:08:27,990 --> 02:08:24,719
i was

2951
02:08:30,870 --> 02:08:28,000
pretty naive looking back on it

2952
02:08:31,830 --> 02:08:30,880
and shortly after i took it over i was

2953
02:08:35,430 --> 02:08:31,840
taking

2954
02:08:37,990 --> 02:08:35,440
one or two or three dozen calls per day

2955
02:08:38,550 --> 02:08:38,000
that's crazy and i realized that it was

2956
02:08:41,750 --> 02:08:38,560
taking

2957
02:08:45,350 --> 02:08:41,760
all of my time and i was panicked i had

2958
02:08:53,430 --> 02:08:48,390
well i was thinking about this in

2959
02:08:56,550 --> 02:08:53,440
january of 1995 again

2960
02:08:59,990 --> 02:08:56,560
and i realized that

2961
02:09:00,390 --> 02:09:00,000
when i before i had become director of

2962
02:09:02,950 --> 02:09:00,400
the

2963
02:09:03,990 --> 02:09:02,960
national ufo reporting center i had

2964
02:09:07,510 --> 02:09:04,000
worked in the venture

2965
02:09:09,030 --> 02:09:07,520
investment industry and our company was

2966
02:09:12,790 --> 02:09:09,040
approached

2967
02:09:15,750 --> 02:09:12,800
by a company in kent washington it's

2968
02:09:17,910 --> 02:09:15,760
called meteor communications corporation

2969
02:09:19,030 --> 02:09:17,920
that made their living by bouncing

2970
02:09:23,430 --> 02:09:19,040
signals

2971
02:09:25,109 --> 02:09:23,440
off of the ionized hot ionized trails

2972
02:09:29,350 --> 02:09:25,119
behind meteors

2973
02:09:32,069 --> 02:09:29,360
and that are used for or useful for

2974
02:09:33,669 --> 02:09:32,079
bouncing a radio signal off of and it

2975
02:09:37,270 --> 02:09:33,679
hit me like a

2976
02:09:40,390 --> 02:09:37,280
ton of bricks that if they could detect

2977
02:09:44,790 --> 02:09:40,400
meteors why couldn't they detect

2978
02:09:49,589 --> 02:09:47,830
i quickly contacted the company and had

2979
02:09:54,470 --> 02:09:49,599
an interview

2980
02:09:57,510 --> 02:09:54,480
and uh asked them proposed to them my

2981
02:10:00,629 --> 02:09:57,520
uh my realization

2982
02:10:03,910 --> 02:10:00,639
as to how that technology could be used

2983
02:10:05,270 --> 02:10:03,920
they were very cordial and very very

2984
02:10:07,750 --> 02:10:05,280
considerate

2985
02:10:09,990 --> 02:10:07,760
and i've been trying to raise money ever

2986
02:10:11,910 --> 02:10:10,000
since that realization jimmy i've talked

2987
02:10:14,149 --> 02:10:11,920
to five billionaires

2988
02:10:15,430 --> 02:10:14,159
talked with or communicated with one way

2989
02:10:18,470 --> 02:10:15,440
or another

2990
02:10:21,830 --> 02:10:18,480
five billionaires who

2991
02:10:24,310 --> 02:10:21,840
could easily fund the

2992
02:10:26,629 --> 02:10:24,320
development of a passive radar system

2993
02:10:30,390 --> 02:10:26,639
what passive radar

2994
02:10:33,270 --> 02:10:30,400
relies on it's the passive

2995
02:10:34,870 --> 02:10:33,280
implies that you're not generating a

2996
02:10:37,270 --> 02:10:34,880
transmitted signal

2997
02:10:38,870 --> 02:10:37,280
you're using somebody else's generated

2998
02:10:41,510 --> 02:10:38,880
signal

2999
02:10:43,109 --> 02:10:41,520
uh and listening for reflections of that

3000
02:10:45,270 --> 02:10:43,119
signal off

3001
02:10:47,189 --> 02:10:45,280
solid objects in the atmosphere or

3002
02:10:50,629 --> 02:10:47,199
beyond

3003
02:10:53,589 --> 02:10:50,639
and uh well how does that work

3004
02:10:55,669 --> 02:10:53,599
explain it explain how that works i we

3005
02:10:58,709 --> 02:10:55,679
hear active and passive radar

3006
02:11:00,790 --> 02:10:58,719
you know uh all the time um

3007
02:11:01,910 --> 02:11:00,800
and active makes a lot of sense you're

3008
02:11:03,990 --> 02:11:01,920
firing up

3009
02:11:06,470 --> 02:11:04,000
you're trying to bounce something off

3010
02:11:09,270 --> 02:11:06,480
and you're the originator right that

3011
02:11:09,830 --> 02:11:09,280
that's that but but explain how passive

3012
02:11:13,589 --> 02:11:09,840
actually

3013
02:11:16,149 --> 02:11:13,599
works passive radar does not have a

3014
02:11:18,550 --> 02:11:16,159
transmitter it only has a receiver

3015
02:11:20,709 --> 02:11:18,560
and what you do is tune your receiver

3016
02:11:21,830 --> 02:11:20,719
which is a long distance away from the

3017
02:11:24,870 --> 02:11:21,840
transmitter

3018
02:11:28,629 --> 02:11:24,880
so under ordinary circumstances

3019
02:11:31,990 --> 02:11:28,639
the receiver is unable to hear

3020
02:11:35,350 --> 02:11:32,000
the transmitted signal for example

3021
02:11:37,750 --> 02:11:35,360
i reside in eastern washington state

3022
02:11:39,350 --> 02:11:37,760
and there's a range of mountains the

3023
02:11:42,790 --> 02:11:39,360
cascade mountains between

3024
02:11:46,229 --> 02:11:42,800
me and seattle if i set up

3025
02:11:48,629 --> 02:11:46,239
a receiver with a

3026
02:11:49,669 --> 02:11:48,639
an array of antennas you need more than

3027
02:11:53,030 --> 02:11:49,679
one antenna

3028
02:11:54,390 --> 02:11:53,040
for triangulation purposes and tuned my

3029
02:11:58,629 --> 02:11:54,400
receiver

3030
02:12:01,430 --> 02:11:58,639
to the frequency operating frequency of

3031
02:12:04,550 --> 02:12:01,440
a commercial radio or television station

3032
02:12:06,390 --> 02:12:04,560
under ordinary circumstances i would not

3033
02:12:09,830 --> 02:12:06,400
be able to hear

3034
02:12:11,910 --> 02:12:09,840
that signal however if something flies

3035
02:12:14,149 --> 02:12:11,920
down the spine of

3036
02:12:14,950 --> 02:12:14,159
the cascade mountains above the cascade

3037
02:12:18,229 --> 02:12:14,960
mountains

3038
02:12:18,950 --> 02:12:18,239
or anywhere in the airspace between the

3039
02:12:22,229 --> 02:12:18,960
receiver

3040
02:12:25,030 --> 02:12:22,239
and the transmitter it would serve as a

3041
02:12:27,990 --> 02:12:25,040
reflection point for the transmitted

3042
02:12:30,870 --> 02:12:28,000
radio or television program and my

3043
02:12:34,870 --> 02:12:30,880
receiver would be able to pick it up

3044
02:12:38,629 --> 02:12:34,880
and if you have an array of antennas

3045
02:12:42,870 --> 02:12:38,639
in an x y coordinate system you can then

3046
02:12:46,229 --> 02:12:42,880
triangulate through technological

3047
02:12:47,669 --> 02:12:46,239
application of computer technology and

3048
02:12:49,750 --> 02:12:47,679
other technology technologies well

3049
02:12:52,470 --> 02:12:49,760
signals analysis

3050
02:12:54,950 --> 02:12:52,480
you can detect that reflection point and

3051
02:12:57,430 --> 02:12:54,960
you can track it

3052
02:12:58,390 --> 02:12:57,440
you can determine its velocity its

3053
02:13:01,669 --> 02:12:58,400
location

3054
02:13:05,189 --> 02:13:01,679
to a degree its size and the

3055
02:13:07,510 --> 02:13:05,199
nature of its surface and

3056
02:13:08,950 --> 02:13:07,520
the reason i'm so confident in my

3057
02:13:14,629 --> 02:13:08,960
proposal

3058
02:13:20,950 --> 02:13:18,550
this is international director of mufon

3059
02:13:23,109 --> 02:13:20,960
i can't think of his last name suddenly

3060
02:13:24,629 --> 02:13:23,119
i was invited to speak at the mufon

3061
02:13:27,750 --> 02:13:24,639
symposium in

3062
02:13:29,750 --> 02:13:27,760
july of 2004

3063
02:13:31,669 --> 02:13:29,760
and i decided that i was going to do

3064
02:13:32,629 --> 02:13:31,679
something radically different from just

3065
02:13:36,310 --> 02:13:32,639
citing

3066
02:13:39,109 --> 02:13:36,320
ufo cases so i wrote a paper

3067
02:13:39,750 --> 02:13:39,119
on the use of passive radar for

3068
02:13:43,109 --> 02:13:39,760
detecting

3069
02:13:43,750 --> 02:13:43,119
ufos and it was published on the 6th of

3070
02:13:47,270 --> 02:13:43,760
july

3071
02:13:49,589 --> 02:13:47,280
2004 in the proceedings of the upcoming

3072
02:13:51,350 --> 02:13:49,599
conference

3073
02:13:54,550 --> 02:13:51,360
well to my great amazement that

3074
02:13:57,189 --> 02:13:54,560
afternoon the very afternoon that the

3075
02:13:58,550 --> 02:13:57,199
article my article was published i got a

3076
02:14:01,270 --> 02:13:58,560
call from a senior

3077
02:14:01,990 --> 02:14:01,280
officer at the central intelligence

3078
02:14:05,830 --> 02:14:02,000
agency

3079
02:14:07,510 --> 02:14:05,840
is that right very well known to the ufo

3080
02:14:09,669 --> 02:14:07,520
community and he said

3081
02:14:11,669 --> 02:14:09,679
peter my name is so and so you don't

3082
02:14:12,870 --> 02:14:11,679
know me but i know you and i know of

3083
02:14:15,589 --> 02:14:12,880
your work

3084
02:14:18,229 --> 02:14:15,599
he said a retired colleague of mine just

3085
02:14:21,669 --> 02:14:18,239
directed me to your paper

3086
02:14:23,270 --> 02:14:21,679
that you wrote for the upcoming mufon

3087
02:14:25,830 --> 02:14:23,280
symposium

3088
02:14:27,669 --> 02:14:25,840
and he said i'm calling to congratulate

3089
02:14:30,229 --> 02:14:27,679
you on your line of reasoning

3090
02:14:31,430 --> 02:14:30,239
and to tell you that if you build the

3091
02:14:34,950 --> 02:14:31,440
system you describe

3092
02:14:36,790 --> 02:14:34,960
in your paper you will be successful

3093
02:14:39,109 --> 02:14:36,800
in answering the question of whether

3094
02:14:41,350 --> 02:14:39,119
ufos are real or not

3095
02:14:43,030 --> 02:14:41,360
please note that he did not say you will

3096
02:14:45,350 --> 02:14:43,040
detect ufos

3097
02:14:47,030 --> 02:14:45,360
that might have had him violating a

3098
02:14:50,149 --> 02:14:47,040
security oath

3099
02:14:52,390 --> 02:14:50,159
but he said you will be successful in

3100
02:14:53,350 --> 02:14:52,400
answering the question of whether ufos

3101
02:14:55,430 --> 02:14:53,360
exist or not

3102
02:14:56,790 --> 02:14:55,440
we had a very nice conversation he's a

3103
02:14:59,830 --> 02:14:56,800
very nice guy

3104
02:15:02,550 --> 02:14:59,840
we've had a number of exchange email on

3105
02:15:05,430 --> 02:15:02,560
a number of occasions since that first

3106
02:15:06,709 --> 02:15:05,440
introduction but he explained that he

3107
02:15:10,069 --> 02:15:06,719
was a

3108
02:15:12,629 --> 02:15:10,079
had a phd in physics and that his first

3109
02:15:16,470 --> 02:15:12,639
20 years at the cia

3110
02:15:17,510 --> 02:15:16,480
were dedicated to building passive radar

3111
02:15:22,069 --> 02:15:17,520
systems

3112
02:15:24,950 --> 02:15:22,079
for the clandestine detection of targets

3113
02:15:27,030 --> 02:15:24,960
that's pretty heady stuff i was thrilled

3114
02:15:30,229 --> 02:15:27,040
by his call and thrilled by his

3115
02:15:32,709 --> 02:15:30,239
response to my paper of course

3116
02:15:35,030 --> 02:15:32,719
so what would be uh what would be the

3117
02:15:35,990 --> 02:15:35,040
next step in a project like this because

3118
02:15:39,830 --> 02:15:36,000
it sounds

3119
02:15:42,310 --> 02:15:39,840
to me like we have

3120
02:15:44,069 --> 02:15:42,320
the infrastructure already built all the

3121
02:15:45,910 --> 02:15:44,079
way across this country

3122
02:15:48,229 --> 02:15:45,920
every small town in america has got a

3123
02:15:51,189 --> 02:15:48,239
local tv or radio station

3124
02:15:52,950 --> 02:15:51,199
absolutely we could cover the entire

3125
02:15:55,589 --> 02:15:52,960
north american continent

3126
02:15:57,750 --> 02:15:55,599
and i addressed this issue in my paper

3127
02:15:59,910 --> 02:15:57,760
which is posted to my website by the way

3128
02:16:03,030 --> 02:15:59,920
it's on the home page

3129
02:16:04,069 --> 02:16:03,040
we could cover the entire north american

3130
02:16:06,870 --> 02:16:04,079
continent

3131
02:16:07,669 --> 02:16:06,880
canada and the united states with four

3132
02:16:10,870 --> 02:16:07,679
or

3133
02:16:12,229 --> 02:16:10,880
maybe as many as six stations listening

3134
02:16:16,390 --> 02:16:12,239
posts

3135
02:16:19,350 --> 02:16:16,400
and one thing i'd like to add to my

3136
02:16:20,310 --> 02:16:19,360
rambling description of passive radar is

3137
02:16:22,709 --> 02:16:20,320
the first

3138
02:16:23,910 --> 02:16:22,719
it's not a new technology by any means

3139
02:16:27,030 --> 02:16:23,920
the first

3140
02:16:28,550 --> 02:16:27,040
patent for the application of passive

3141
02:16:32,629 --> 02:16:28,560
radar

3142
02:16:36,230 --> 02:16:32,639
was issued in the uk in 1927

3143
02:16:39,910 --> 02:16:36,240
in fact the use of the bbc

3144
02:16:42,709 --> 02:16:39,920
radio signal was a form of

3145
02:16:44,790 --> 02:16:42,719
for detecting aircraft during the blitz

3146
02:16:47,110 --> 02:16:44,800
and during the second world war

3147
02:16:48,790 --> 02:16:47,120
is one of the first major applications

3148
02:16:50,790 --> 02:16:48,800
of passive radar

3149
02:16:52,549 --> 02:16:50,800
the signal was broadcast and it

3150
02:16:55,190 --> 02:16:52,559
reflected off aircraft

3151
02:16:57,270 --> 02:16:55,200
either incoming or english aircraft

3152
02:17:01,429 --> 02:16:57,280
looking for targets

3153
02:17:03,750 --> 02:17:01,439
and they were then directed

3154
02:17:05,349 --> 02:17:03,760
the english pilots were directed towards

3155
02:17:09,429 --> 02:17:05,359
their appropriate

3156
02:17:15,429 --> 02:17:12,629
one other thing i would add the

3157
02:17:16,230 --> 02:17:15,439
naval space surveillance system which

3158
02:17:18,309 --> 02:17:16,240
was

3159
02:17:21,349 --> 02:17:18,319
first introduced i believe in the early

3160
02:17:24,230 --> 02:17:21,359
1950s or

3161
02:17:26,389 --> 02:17:24,240
perhaps as late as the early 1960s

3162
02:17:28,270 --> 02:17:26,399
during the sputnik area anyway

3163
02:17:29,910 --> 02:17:28,280
the us navy was assigned the

3164
02:17:33,429 --> 02:17:29,920
responsibility

3165
02:17:35,910 --> 02:17:33,439
for tracking all objects in orbit

3166
02:17:37,990 --> 02:17:35,920
that passed over the united states and

3167
02:17:41,669 --> 02:17:38,000
the way they did it was by using a

3168
02:17:44,870 --> 02:17:41,679
passive radar system they generated a

3169
02:17:46,469 --> 02:17:44,880
an intensely powerful radio wave and

3170
02:17:49,190 --> 02:17:46,479
they

3171
02:17:50,709 --> 02:17:49,200
radiated it using special antennas to

3172
02:17:55,110 --> 02:17:50,719
compress the radio

3173
02:17:57,750 --> 02:17:55,120
signal into a small area and anytime

3174
02:17:59,429 --> 02:17:57,760
an object whether it be a satellite or a

3175
02:18:02,709 --> 02:17:59,439
booster or

3176
02:18:05,429 --> 02:18:02,719
an astronaut's glove or a wrench

3177
02:18:06,429 --> 02:18:05,439
pass through that signal that

3178
02:18:09,509 --> 02:18:06,439
concentrated

3179
02:18:12,230 --> 02:18:09,519
electromagnetic energy it would reflect

3180
02:18:14,870 --> 02:18:12,240
the signal back down to ground level

3181
02:18:16,629 --> 02:18:14,880
and listening posts all along this

3182
02:18:20,790 --> 02:18:16,639
transmitter

3183
02:18:24,070 --> 02:18:20,800
could detect and record the

3184
02:18:27,429 --> 02:18:24,080
the reflected signal and track the

3185
02:18:30,150 --> 02:18:27,439
object this is how they keep satellites

3186
02:18:33,110 --> 02:18:30,160
from bumping into one another up there

3187
02:18:33,910 --> 02:18:33,120
well the u.s navy was using passive

3188
02:18:36,709 --> 02:18:33,920
radar for

3189
02:18:37,589 --> 02:18:36,719
decades until three or four years ago

3190
02:18:40,870 --> 02:18:37,599
when they

3191
02:18:44,230 --> 02:18:40,880
stopped using their system

3192
02:18:47,509 --> 02:18:44,240
and god only knows how many

3193
02:18:51,110 --> 02:18:47,519
ufos were seen and detected by the

3194
02:18:52,870 --> 02:18:51,120
u.s navy during the roughly half century

3195
02:18:54,790 --> 02:18:52,880
that they were operating it

3196
02:18:57,190 --> 02:18:54,800
yeah i'm posting your i'm posting your

3197
02:19:00,629 --> 02:18:57,200
paper now uh up on twitter

3198
02:19:03,349 --> 02:19:00,639
uh for everybody to go and uh

3199
02:19:04,870 --> 02:19:03,359
check it out there you go uh everyone

3200
02:19:08,790 --> 02:19:04,880
it's right there

3201
02:19:10,629 --> 02:19:08,800
in the uh f2b feed in the sandbox

3202
02:19:13,030 --> 02:19:10,639
and you can go and and check out the

3203
02:19:15,830 --> 02:19:13,040
original paper peter wrote for mufon

3204
02:19:16,150 --> 02:19:15,840
uh for the symposium this is the thing

3205
02:19:20,629 --> 02:19:16,160
uh

3206
02:19:23,110 --> 02:19:20,639
publicly you've done it on radio

3207
02:19:25,030 --> 02:19:23,120
uh you did it on coast to coast uh you

3208
02:19:26,549 --> 02:19:25,040
spoke about at the mufon symposium you

3209
02:19:29,910 --> 02:19:26,559
were contacted

3210
02:19:30,790 --> 02:19:29,920
uh by individuals and you've spoken to a

3211
02:19:34,790 --> 02:19:30,800
few money

3212
02:19:37,349 --> 02:19:34,800
people out there um but it hasn't gotten

3213
02:19:40,150 --> 02:19:37,359
the attention that it deserves

3214
02:19:40,469 --> 02:19:40,160
what what what do you think is going on

3215
02:19:44,150 --> 02:19:40,479
there

3216
02:19:45,669 --> 02:19:44,160
i don't know you have touched on what is

3217
02:19:49,349 --> 02:19:45,679
the source of my greatest

3218
02:19:50,550 --> 02:19:49,359
frustration in ufology i solve the

3219
02:19:54,870 --> 02:19:50,560
problem

3220
02:19:58,790 --> 02:19:54,880
we can detect ufos when they're

3221
02:20:02,230 --> 02:19:58,800
in the proximity of the planet earth

3222
02:20:04,230 --> 02:20:02,240
in fact i calculated that using the

3223
02:20:07,750 --> 02:20:04,240
naval space surveillance system

3224
02:20:11,110 --> 02:20:07,760
transmitted signal we could probably

3225
02:20:11,750 --> 02:20:11,120
detect a ufo out as far as the distance

3226
02:20:17,030 --> 02:20:11,760
of the moon

3227
02:20:21,190 --> 02:20:17,040
is from the earth 234 000 miles

3228
02:20:22,710 --> 02:20:21,200
and people have talked about the system

3229
02:20:25,990 --> 02:20:22,720
but it hasn't been funded

3230
02:20:29,349 --> 02:20:26,000
i have yet to collect the first

3231
02:20:30,710 --> 02:20:29,359
penny of contribution for funding this

3232
02:20:33,750 --> 02:20:30,720
program

3233
02:20:36,950 --> 02:20:33,760
and originally i i

3234
02:20:38,870 --> 02:20:36,960
assembled an engineering team and the

3235
02:20:39,830 --> 02:20:38,880
chief engineer is a long time good

3236
02:20:42,790 --> 02:20:39,840
friend of mine

3237
02:20:46,309 --> 02:20:42,800
electrical engineer and he was very

3238
02:20:49,429 --> 02:20:46,319
excited about the project too

3239
02:20:52,870 --> 02:20:49,439
but we we calculated

3240
02:20:55,349 --> 02:20:52,880
that it would cost perhaps as much as

3241
02:20:58,710 --> 02:20:55,359
three quarters of a million dollars

3242
02:21:00,870 --> 02:20:58,720
to build the prototype

3243
02:21:03,190 --> 02:21:00,880
ninety percent of that would be to for

3244
02:21:04,790 --> 02:21:03,200
writing the code

3245
02:21:06,630 --> 02:21:04,800
it's going to take about two million

3246
02:21:09,990 --> 02:21:06,640
lines of code to

3247
02:21:12,950 --> 02:21:10,000
sure sure but the cost has dropped

3248
02:21:16,230 --> 02:21:12,960
dramatically to we estimate

3249
02:21:17,830 --> 02:21:16,240
it can be done a prototype can be built

3250
02:21:19,670 --> 02:21:17,840
for two hundred and fifty thousand

3251
02:21:23,110 --> 02:21:19,680
dollars now what

3252
02:21:23,670 --> 02:21:23,120
but once the yeah exactly and once the

3253
02:21:27,670 --> 02:21:23,680
code

3254
02:21:31,110 --> 02:21:27,680
is written right you have the software

3255
02:21:35,030 --> 02:21:31,120
then that software would just

3256
02:21:38,230 --> 02:21:35,040
go into the passive radar

3257
02:21:40,550 --> 02:21:38,240
uh locations across the country

3258
02:21:41,590 --> 02:21:40,560
and they would just be loading it onto

3259
02:21:44,070 --> 02:21:41,600
their

3260
02:21:45,510 --> 02:21:44,080
local computer there isn't and then the

3261
02:21:47,990 --> 02:21:45,520
communication would happen

3262
02:21:48,710 --> 02:21:48,000
throughout the internet after that so

3263
02:21:51,910 --> 02:21:48,720
there isn't

3264
02:21:54,710 --> 02:21:51,920
really any hardware to do it is

3265
02:21:55,750 --> 02:21:54,720
just the willingness of the participants

3266
02:21:59,270 --> 02:21:55,760
right

3267
02:22:00,710 --> 02:21:59,280
yep all you need is a computer computer

3268
02:22:03,590 --> 02:22:00,720
monitor

3269
02:22:04,070 --> 02:22:03,600
an fm radio receiver fm is better than

3270
02:22:07,110 --> 02:22:04,080
am

3271
02:22:09,510 --> 02:22:07,120
for certain technical reasons

3272
02:22:10,710 --> 02:22:09,520
and a very accurate time measuring

3273
02:22:14,469 --> 02:22:10,720
device

3274
02:22:17,270 --> 02:22:14,479
the time signal for the

3275
02:22:17,830 --> 02:22:17,280
uh from satellites is perfectly adequate

3276
02:22:20,550 --> 02:22:17,840
for our

3277
02:22:21,190 --> 02:22:20,560
application well there's a carrier

3278
02:22:23,990 --> 02:22:21,200
signal

3279
02:22:24,630 --> 02:22:24,000
throughout the internet of of the time

3280
02:22:26,710 --> 02:22:24,640
of day

3281
02:22:27,750 --> 02:22:26,720
anyway and that's just writing that into

3282
02:22:30,230 --> 02:22:27,760
the code too

3283
02:22:31,510 --> 02:22:30,240
so you would be able to triangulate a

3284
02:22:35,429 --> 02:22:31,520
location

3285
02:22:38,309 --> 02:22:35,439
establish air speed and altitude

3286
02:22:40,230 --> 02:22:38,319
automatically and that would be the end

3287
02:22:43,910 --> 02:22:40,240
of it and you could also

3288
02:22:47,670 --> 02:22:43,920
if i'm not going too far out here

3289
02:22:50,950 --> 02:22:47,680
you could probably uh cross-reference

3290
02:22:54,469 --> 02:22:50,960
that data immediately with flight

3291
02:22:57,910 --> 02:22:54,479
checker right or another uh

3292
02:22:59,590 --> 02:22:57,920
software aviation software platform out

3293
02:23:02,830 --> 02:22:59,600
there that is tracking current

3294
02:23:05,190 --> 02:23:02,840
military and civilian aircraft in the

3295
02:23:09,030 --> 02:23:05,200
airspace

3296
02:23:09,990 --> 02:23:09,040
yep in other words because of the growth

3297
02:23:13,670 --> 02:23:10,000
of

3298
02:23:16,469 --> 02:23:13,680
computers and

3299
02:23:17,990 --> 02:23:16,479
accurate time clocks and a number of

3300
02:23:19,750 --> 02:23:18,000
other things

3301
02:23:21,590 --> 02:23:19,760
we are now for the first time in the

3302
02:23:26,550 --> 02:23:21,600
history of mankind

3303
02:23:29,110 --> 02:23:26,560
able to detect ufos and other targets

3304
02:23:33,429 --> 02:23:29,120
that you'd detect satellites and

3305
02:23:39,830 --> 02:23:36,710
you can filter those out through proper

3306
02:23:42,309 --> 02:23:39,840
programming of your computer

3307
02:23:43,670 --> 02:23:42,319
we are able to detect the presence of

3308
02:23:46,389 --> 02:23:43,680
ufos

3309
02:23:48,630 --> 02:23:46,399
on a real-time basis and i'm not sure

3310
02:23:52,389 --> 02:23:48,640
anybody's interested

3311
02:23:55,670 --> 02:23:52,399
it's fascinating january of 1995

3312
02:23:58,550 --> 02:23:55,680
and i've that's

3313
02:23:59,030 --> 02:23:58,560
what 25 years ago well we'll see if we

3314
02:24:01,270 --> 02:23:59,040
could

3315
02:24:03,110 --> 02:24:01,280
yeah we'll see if we can generate some

3316
02:24:04,950 --> 02:24:03,120
interest again

3317
02:24:06,230 --> 02:24:04,960
through this program tonight let me ask

3318
02:24:08,070 --> 02:24:06,240
you this peter

3319
02:24:09,349 --> 02:24:08,080
before i let you go we only have a few

3320
02:24:12,469 --> 02:24:09,359
minutes left

3321
02:24:16,070 --> 02:24:12,479
um you've been at this for

3322
02:24:18,710 --> 02:24:16,080
such a long time and

3323
02:24:20,070 --> 02:24:18,720
the word disclosure is thrown around

3324
02:24:22,870 --> 02:24:20,080
it's been thrown around for a long time

3325
02:24:25,910 --> 02:24:22,880
but certainly this last few years

3326
02:24:27,030 --> 02:24:25,920
um it's like a free word now everybody's

3327
02:24:29,910 --> 02:24:27,040
using it

3328
02:24:32,230 --> 02:24:29,920
do you think that we are indeed in the

3329
02:24:35,830 --> 02:24:32,240
days of disclosure have we reached

3330
02:24:40,070 --> 02:24:35,840
that point well i don't know for sure i

3331
02:24:40,710 --> 02:24:40,080
it sort of causes me to grind my teeth

3332
02:24:42,469 --> 02:24:40,720
when i heard

3333
02:24:44,469 --> 02:24:42,479
hear disclosure because there are many

3334
02:24:47,590 --> 02:24:44,479
types of disclosure

3335
02:24:50,230 --> 02:24:47,600
but what i argue we can do

3336
02:24:52,150 --> 02:24:50,240
is do our own disclosure with a passive

3337
02:24:55,590 --> 02:24:52,160
radar system

3338
02:24:58,630 --> 02:24:55,600
and i

3339
02:25:00,710 --> 02:24:58,640
solved the problem i cracked the nut 25

3340
02:25:03,270 --> 02:25:00,720
years ago and i'm not sure

3341
02:25:05,270 --> 02:25:03,280
many people were paying attention when i

3342
02:25:09,190 --> 02:25:05,280
made the proposal

3343
02:25:11,349 --> 02:25:09,200
and it's not just i who believes this

3344
02:25:13,510 --> 02:25:11,359
many electrical engineers with whom i've

3345
02:25:16,870 --> 02:25:13,520
talked shake their head and say

3346
02:25:20,309 --> 02:25:16,880
it's an obvious solution to the problem

3347
02:25:23,910 --> 02:25:20,319
so do you remember

3348
02:25:25,429 --> 02:25:23,920
do you remember when when seti uh did

3349
02:25:28,230 --> 02:25:25,439
their launch

3350
02:25:29,910 --> 02:25:28,240
and they said okay we're gonna give uh

3351
02:25:31,270 --> 02:25:29,920
we need the help with everybody else's

3352
02:25:32,790 --> 02:25:31,280
computers out there

3353
02:25:34,950 --> 02:25:32,800
so we're gonna give you a little line of

3354
02:25:35,670 --> 02:25:34,960
code and you guys are gonna process our

3355
02:25:38,790 --> 02:25:35,680
data

3356
02:25:39,750 --> 02:25:38,800
we're gonna use your computers to to

3357
02:25:42,469 --> 02:25:39,760
help us do this

3358
02:25:43,270 --> 02:25:42,479
and millions of people signed up it

3359
02:25:45,830 --> 02:25:43,280
should be the

3360
02:25:46,550 --> 02:25:45,840
same thing with the passive radar system

3361
02:25:50,230 --> 02:25:46,560
it should be

3362
02:25:51,270 --> 02:25:50,240
a natural willingness to just push this

3363
02:25:55,990 --> 02:25:51,280
forward

3364
02:26:02,550 --> 02:25:59,510
i corresponded with dr jill tarter

3365
02:26:05,349 --> 02:26:02,560
about my proposal and i propose

3366
02:26:07,910 --> 02:26:05,359
that we team up the national ufo

3367
02:26:11,510 --> 02:26:07,920
reporting center with seti

3368
02:26:15,270 --> 02:26:11,520
they had a lot of technological acumen

3369
02:26:17,590 --> 02:26:15,280
that i didn't have access to and

3370
02:26:19,110 --> 02:26:17,600
it generated no interest she said she

3371
02:26:21,670 --> 02:26:19,120
would pass my letter along

3372
02:26:22,630 --> 02:26:21,680
she was retired at the time i didn't

3373
02:26:26,550 --> 02:26:22,640
realize that

3374
02:26:29,830 --> 02:26:26,560
this is about four years ago right and

3375
02:26:32,309 --> 02:26:29,840
she said that she would pass the letter

3376
02:26:35,670 --> 02:26:32,319
along to the director of

3377
02:26:37,429 --> 02:26:35,680
techno technology at seti and he would

3378
02:26:38,150 --> 02:26:37,439
get in touch with me but i never heard

3379
02:26:40,630 --> 02:26:38,160
from them

3380
02:26:43,190 --> 02:26:40,640
i tried to call him several times but

3381
02:26:46,870 --> 02:26:43,200
did not get returned phone calls

3382
02:26:49,910 --> 02:26:46,880
it's interesting to me um that

3383
02:26:52,230 --> 02:26:49,920
we have uh finally have the media

3384
02:26:53,349 --> 02:26:52,240
on board right which we've never had

3385
02:26:57,030 --> 02:26:53,359
before

3386
02:27:00,389 --> 02:26:57,040
and yet the other areas

3387
02:27:03,590 --> 02:27:00,399
that should be there like seti or

3388
02:27:05,110 --> 02:27:03,600
uh the media across the country

3389
02:27:07,990 --> 02:27:05,120
with and i'm talking about the radio and

3390
02:27:11,110 --> 02:27:08,000
television stations with the ability to

3391
02:27:13,910 --> 02:27:11,120
to help with their passive radar that

3392
02:27:16,389 --> 02:27:13,920
those those doors haven't opened and

3393
02:27:19,110 --> 02:27:16,399
then there's other cases

3394
02:27:20,710 --> 02:27:19,120
ufo sightings that completely get

3395
02:27:22,230 --> 02:27:20,720
ignored by the media

3396
02:27:24,070 --> 02:27:22,240
and they want to pick and choose what

3397
02:27:25,830 --> 02:27:24,080
they're reporting on these days

3398
02:27:27,510 --> 02:27:25,840
it's strange peter some things never

3399
02:27:30,309 --> 02:27:27,520
change do they

3400
02:27:31,349 --> 02:27:30,319
no they don't what's next in the world

3401
02:27:34,710 --> 02:27:31,359
is difficult

3402
02:27:37,990 --> 02:27:34,720
yes it is what's next for you

3403
02:27:39,429 --> 02:27:38,000
um uh anything on the horizon with a new

3404
02:27:41,590 --> 02:27:39,439
fort

3405
02:27:44,469 --> 02:27:41,600
well nothing new i'm doing the same job

3406
02:27:47,910 --> 02:27:44,479
i did 26 years ago collecting ufo

3407
02:27:49,830 --> 02:27:47,920
reports and releasing them for the

3408
02:27:51,590 --> 02:27:49,840
general consumption of the american

3409
02:27:53,110 --> 02:27:51,600
public and in fact anybody who has a

3410
02:27:57,030 --> 02:27:53,120
computer

3411
02:28:00,550 --> 02:27:57,040
so i think if

3412
02:28:04,710 --> 02:28:00,560
i've got to uh slow down a little bit

3413
02:28:07,110 --> 02:28:04,720
i turned 72 in january of this year and

3414
02:28:09,510 --> 02:28:07,120
the stress of this job is more than i

3415
02:28:12,389 --> 02:28:09,520
should be applying to my body i feel

3416
02:28:14,309 --> 02:28:12,399
it may be time for me to hang up my

3417
02:28:16,230 --> 02:28:14,319
tinfoil covered hat

3418
02:28:17,910 --> 02:28:16,240
and move on to other things less

3419
02:28:20,070 --> 02:28:17,920
stressful yeah you

3420
02:28:21,190 --> 02:28:20,080
you know just like uh i'm sure your

3421
02:28:24,230 --> 02:28:21,200
father said to you

3422
02:28:28,550 --> 02:28:24,240
and his father before him

3423
02:28:31,750 --> 02:28:30,790
yeah that's right i have nobody to blame

3424
02:28:33,750 --> 02:28:31,760
but myself

3425
02:28:35,190 --> 02:28:33,760
nobody to blame but yourself peter and

3426
02:28:37,030 --> 02:28:35,200
we thank you so much

3427
02:28:38,550 --> 02:28:37,040
for the life that you chose my friend

3428
02:28:40,550 --> 02:28:38,560
thank you so much

3429
02:28:42,309 --> 02:28:40,560
and i'm excited for the next time that

3430
02:28:43,830 --> 02:28:42,319
we get a chance to have a conversation

3431
02:28:46,230 --> 02:28:43,840
let's just don't make it

3432
02:28:47,750 --> 02:28:46,240
so many years this next time around and

3433
02:28:51,070 --> 02:28:47,760
when you do

3434
02:28:54,790 --> 02:28:51,080
establish uh establish some

3435
02:28:57,110 --> 02:28:54,800
monetization of the new fork website

3436
02:28:59,110 --> 02:28:57,120
let us know so we can get it out there

3437
02:29:00,790 --> 02:28:59,120
uh to the world

3438
02:29:02,630 --> 02:29:00,800
thank you for the generous offer and

3439
02:29:03,110 --> 02:29:02,640
it's always a delight to work with you

3440
02:29:05,750 --> 02:29:03,120
jimmy

3441
02:29:06,950 --> 02:29:05,760
i really enjoy these get togethers

3442
02:29:09,990 --> 02:29:06,960
they're all too often

3443
02:29:13,429 --> 02:29:10,000
all too infrequent i'm afraid they are

3444
02:29:16,710 --> 02:29:13,439
but uh soon we'll uh get out from uh

3445
02:29:18,230 --> 02:29:16,720
uh this pandemic and uh we'll be able to

3446
02:29:19,349 --> 02:29:18,240
break some bread up there in seattle

3447
02:29:22,309 --> 02:29:19,359
we'll come up and see you

3448
02:29:22,950 --> 02:29:22,319
thank you so much thank you good night

3449
02:29:26,630 --> 02:29:22,960
peter

3450
02:29:29,429 --> 02:29:26,640
davenport the national ufo reporting

3451
02:29:29,910 --> 02:29:29,439
center that right there is somebody that

3452
02:29:33,110 --> 02:29:29,920
has

3453
02:29:36,309 --> 02:29:33,120
done it all and continues to do it

3454
02:29:38,150 --> 02:29:36,319
all for this community and uh to reach

3455
02:29:41,429 --> 02:29:38,160
out to peter it's all simple

3456
02:29:44,710 --> 02:29:41,439
you can go to new fork n-u-f-o-r-c

3457
02:29:47,910 --> 02:29:44,720
dot org newport.org the links are

3458
02:29:49,670 --> 02:29:47,920
up at jimmychurchradio.com

3459
02:29:51,910 --> 02:29:49,680
with that thank you so much peter what a

3460
02:29:53,110 --> 02:29:51,920
great conversation i am going to take a

3461
02:29:54,950 --> 02:29:53,120
quick break

3462
02:30:02,830 --> 02:29:54,960
and when i come back i'm going to open

3463
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3464
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3465
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changer network and kgra

3466
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the planet i'll be right back with your

3467
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phone calls right after this short break

3468
02:30:40,630 --> 02:30:38,230
hey what up y'all should go biblical fox

3469
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here and you are listening to my boy

3470
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jimmy church on jimmychurchradio.com

3471
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3472
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this is jimmy church of fade to black

3473
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and i take life change tea

3474
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3547
02:33:55,600 --> 02:34:16,950
this is kjcr jimmychurchradio.com

3548
02:34:20,550 --> 02:34:18,790
all right welcome back fade to black i'm

3549
02:34:23,750 --> 02:34:20,560
here jimmy church

3550
02:34:27,110 --> 02:34:23,760
man this is the guitar right here

3551
02:34:29,349 --> 02:34:27,120
this this this is the one

3552
02:34:31,110 --> 02:34:29,359
you know you know what's really funny is

3553
02:34:34,150 --> 02:34:31,120
that uh

3554
02:34:35,750 --> 02:34:34,160
uh every

3555
02:34:37,429 --> 02:34:35,760
they're all set up they're all ready to

3556
02:34:39,030 --> 02:34:37,439
go right but this is the thing i want to

3557
02:34:42,230 --> 02:34:39,040
thank peter davenport too

3558
02:34:45,429 --> 02:34:42,240
for the amazing conversation that guy

3559
02:34:46,870 --> 02:34:45,439
is a a gift to the world and uh thank

3560
02:34:50,469 --> 02:34:46,880
you so much peter

3561
02:34:53,510 --> 02:34:50,479
but i don't have the time to

3562
02:34:53,990 --> 02:34:53,520
play everything right does that make

3563
02:34:57,429 --> 02:34:54,000
sense

3564
02:34:58,469 --> 02:34:57,439
right i i don't have the time uh to do

3565
02:35:02,230 --> 02:34:58,479
that

3566
02:35:05,349 --> 02:35:02,240
and when uh so

3567
02:35:05,990 --> 02:35:05,359
all guitars they're instruments they're

3568
02:35:09,270 --> 02:35:06,000
made of

3569
02:35:11,670 --> 02:35:09,280
wood they're you know they're they're

3570
02:35:14,070 --> 02:35:11,680
natural they breathe they're living they

3571
02:35:18,150 --> 02:35:14,080
have a personality and everything

3572
02:35:22,710 --> 02:35:18,160
and what you what you don't want to do

3573
02:35:26,150 --> 02:35:22,720
is have one neglected you can't do that

3574
02:35:27,750 --> 02:35:26,160
right and and this one um has been

3575
02:35:30,150 --> 02:35:27,760
been up there and i you know i play you

3576
02:35:33,349 --> 02:35:30,160
know i i

3577
02:35:34,950 --> 02:35:33,359
and i took this this is magic this this

3578
02:35:39,510 --> 02:35:34,960
guitar right here

3579
02:35:45,030 --> 02:35:39,520
this thing is just unbelievable anyway

3580
02:35:49,590 --> 02:35:47,990
that particular guitar it's got ingva

3581
02:35:51,750 --> 02:35:49,600
pickups in it

3582
02:35:53,670 --> 02:35:51,760
i took out the ingva covers i put on the

3583
02:35:54,790 --> 02:35:53,680
the stock covers but those are ink vape

3584
02:35:58,150 --> 02:35:54,800
pickups

3585
02:36:01,670 --> 02:35:58,160
so it looks all standard

3586
02:36:02,630 --> 02:36:01,680
but it sounds amazing it's absolutely

3587
02:36:05,670 --> 02:36:02,640
amazing

3588
02:36:08,710 --> 02:36:05,680
all right um i'm bringing in calls

3589
02:36:12,630 --> 02:36:08,720
and i'm putting them on hold seven four

3590
02:36:14,389 --> 02:36:12,640
seven two two eight two zero five one

3591
02:36:15,670 --> 02:36:14,399
and uh i'll get to all the calls here in

3592
02:36:18,550 --> 02:36:15,680
a second they're coming in

3593
02:36:21,030 --> 02:36:18,560
and i'm putting them on hold so there

3594
02:36:23,110 --> 02:36:21,040
you go you get put on hold you're gonna

3595
02:36:24,469 --> 02:36:23,120
you're just gonna listen to uh the old

3596
02:36:27,830 --> 02:36:24,479
music as i

3597
02:36:29,429 --> 02:36:27,840
swing through these calls and let's see

3598
02:36:31,590 --> 02:36:29,439
who's up first hi you're live i'm fade

3599
02:36:34,389 --> 02:36:31,600
to block who's calling

3600
02:36:36,630 --> 02:36:34,399
would that be me that that would be you

3601
02:36:40,389 --> 02:36:36,640
depends on who it is

3602
02:36:40,790 --> 02:36:40,399
i am steve and i live in lockport new

3603
02:36:43,190 --> 02:36:40,800
york

3604
02:36:44,389 --> 02:36:43,200
right off good old lake ontario my my

3605
02:36:47,750 --> 02:36:44,399
friend jimmy church

3606
02:36:50,630 --> 02:36:47,760
right on so what's on your mind tonight

3607
02:36:52,150 --> 02:36:50,640
buddy i was listening to him talking

3608
02:36:55,590 --> 02:36:52,160
about the radar thing and everything

3609
02:36:57,190 --> 02:36:55,600
and detecting the ufos oh man i i talked

3610
02:36:59,270 --> 02:36:57,200
to you a while back and gave you

3611
02:37:00,710 --> 02:36:59,280
i think i told you a little bit about my

3612
02:37:01,910 --> 02:37:00,720
what happened to me when i was three

3613
02:37:04,550 --> 02:37:01,920
years old

3614
02:37:06,630 --> 02:37:04,560
and again in 2011 in august on august

3615
02:37:09,030 --> 02:37:06,640
16th when i saw it in my ceiling

3616
02:37:10,469 --> 02:37:09,040
i've had my own disclosure i i know

3617
02:37:12,630 --> 02:37:10,479
they're here

3618
02:37:13,990 --> 02:37:12,640
and uh i had this emptiness in my heart

3619
02:37:17,590 --> 02:37:14,000
like i i

3620
02:37:20,070 --> 02:37:17,600
i need to know more i uh

3621
02:37:22,150 --> 02:37:20,080
i'm always uh going to say the stuff

3622
02:37:23,429 --> 02:37:22,160
that we've seen down here by the lake is

3623
02:37:26,550 --> 02:37:23,439
just

3624
02:37:27,990 --> 02:37:26,560
phenomenal out of this world at best at

3625
02:37:29,910 --> 02:37:28,000
least at the least

3626
02:37:31,510 --> 02:37:29,920
and you know what does somebody like me

3627
02:37:35,030 --> 02:37:31,520
do

3628
02:37:38,309 --> 02:37:35,040
this is the thing i uh

3629
02:37:41,750 --> 02:37:38,319
i i was going through and looking at

3630
02:37:44,870 --> 02:37:41,760
uh the um

3631
02:37:47,990 --> 02:37:44,880
list of reports that uh peter

3632
02:37:49,270 --> 02:37:48,000
sent me we could have done two weeks

3633
02:37:52,309 --> 02:37:49,280
worth of shows

3634
02:37:54,309 --> 02:37:52,319
going through this but but steve just

3635
02:37:56,309 --> 02:37:54,319
just check this out this is what he sent

3636
02:37:59,590 --> 02:37:56,319
me this is just little hand-picked

3637
02:38:03,830 --> 02:37:59,600
uh things uh from his his collection

3638
02:38:07,750 --> 02:38:03,840
is archived but 1936 october

3639
02:38:10,710 --> 02:38:07,760
in in eklutna arkansas

3640
02:38:12,110 --> 02:38:10,720
uh i mean uh alaska two men hitchhiking

3641
02:38:15,110 --> 02:38:12,120
to anchorage

3642
02:38:18,150 --> 02:38:15,120
1936 okay 11 years before

3643
02:38:20,230 --> 02:38:18,160
roswell two men hitchhiking to anchorage

3644
02:38:22,950 --> 02:38:20,240
witness a very bright light approaching

3645
02:38:25,830 --> 02:38:22,960
their location at high speed the object

3646
02:38:27,110 --> 02:38:25,840
hovers over them causing them to dive

3647
02:38:31,510 --> 02:38:27,120
into a snow bank

3648
02:38:35,750 --> 02:38:31,520
to escape from it that's 1936

3649
02:38:38,550 --> 02:38:35,760
right right now we got to think about

3650
02:38:39,190 --> 02:38:38,560
the state of our air force jet engines

3651
02:38:45,030 --> 02:38:39,200
weren't

3652
02:38:47,830 --> 02:38:45,040
around helicopters

3653
02:38:48,790 --> 02:38:47,840
hadn't been invented yet right none of

3654
02:38:51,910 --> 02:38:48,800
that

3655
02:38:55,870 --> 02:38:51,920
and then you get a report like this

3656
02:38:59,110 --> 02:38:55,880
in 1936. here's another one from 1939

3657
02:39:01,750 --> 02:38:59,120
1939 three young boys this is right here

3658
02:39:04,870 --> 02:39:01,760
in southern california in fontana

3659
02:39:07,190 --> 02:39:04,880
just south of uh or just east of la

3660
02:39:08,150 --> 02:39:07,200
three young boys returning from a local

3661
02:39:10,950 --> 02:39:08,160
movie theater

3662
02:39:11,590 --> 02:39:10,960
are suddenly illuminated from above by a

3663
02:39:15,429 --> 02:39:11,600
very

3664
02:39:18,230 --> 02:39:15,439
bright shaft of light they run by to it

3665
02:39:18,710 --> 02:39:18,240
they run to a nearby orange grove and

3666
02:39:23,030 --> 02:39:18,720
take

3667
02:39:26,150 --> 02:39:23,040
cover 1939

3668
02:39:27,990 --> 02:39:26,160
explain that to me right well

3669
02:39:29,670 --> 02:39:28,000
the one i want to hear about a little

3670
02:39:30,630 --> 02:39:29,680
bit more would be the one over here

3671
02:39:32,830 --> 02:39:30,640
above the power

3672
02:39:34,950 --> 02:39:32,840
authority in lewiston new york in the

3673
02:39:36,469 --> 02:39:34,960
1945.

3674
02:39:38,469 --> 02:39:36,479
and uh one of these days i'm going to

3675
02:39:39,750 --> 02:39:38,479
get to one of your shows where i can see

3676
02:39:41,030 --> 02:39:39,760
and talk with you in person and i'm

3677
02:39:43,270 --> 02:39:41,040
going to tell you

3678
02:39:45,030 --> 02:39:43,280
some things that uh i i think would

3679
02:39:46,630 --> 02:39:45,040
pretty well blow your mind

3680
02:39:48,309 --> 02:39:46,640
well see that's the thing steve my

3681
02:39:50,950 --> 02:39:48,319
grandmother and my mother

3682
02:39:52,510 --> 02:39:50,960
well that's the thing steve we talk

3683
02:39:55,670 --> 02:39:52,520
about uh

3684
02:39:56,790 --> 02:39:55,680
1947 as being such a pivotal year for a

3685
02:39:59,429 --> 02:39:56,800
lot of different

3686
02:40:00,790 --> 02:39:59,439
reasons not just ufos a lot of things

3687
02:40:05,030 --> 02:40:00,800
happened in 1947

3688
02:40:08,790 --> 02:40:05,040
cia's created the air force is created

3689
02:40:09,510 --> 02:40:08,800
transistors are invented i could go on

3690
02:40:12,630 --> 02:40:09,520
and on you

3691
02:40:14,150 --> 02:40:12,640
look at the history of the world and

3692
02:40:16,950 --> 02:40:14,160
look at year by year

3693
02:40:17,990 --> 02:40:16,960
and then you get to 1947 and you're like

3694
02:40:21,030 --> 02:40:18,000
holy crap

3695
02:40:26,150 --> 02:40:21,040
everything happened in 1947 right

3696
02:40:29,830 --> 02:40:26,160
but it's going before 1947 get to 1945

3697
02:40:31,830 --> 02:40:29,840
44 39 34 32.

3698
02:40:33,269 --> 02:40:31,840
what what was going on in the skies

3699
02:40:35,429 --> 02:40:33,279
before then

3700
02:40:37,110 --> 02:40:35,439
you know because there were no jedi

3701
02:40:38,309 --> 02:40:37,120
there were no helicopters there were no

3702
02:40:41,910 --> 02:40:38,319
rockets

3703
02:40:44,870 --> 02:40:41,920
and you get these reports beams of light

3704
02:40:46,550 --> 02:40:44,880
you know in discs and things that nobody

3705
02:40:48,309 --> 02:40:46,560
was talking to the bible that goes back

3706
02:40:48,870 --> 02:40:48,319
before we were starting to record all

3707
02:40:51,990 --> 02:40:48,880
this stuff

3708
02:40:55,110 --> 02:40:52,000
which is back to my point the earlier

3709
02:40:55,910 --> 02:40:55,120
you go the more fascinating these cases

3710
02:40:58,070 --> 02:40:55,920
are

3711
02:40:59,190 --> 02:40:58,080
you know once you get before the wright

3712
02:41:01,110 --> 02:40:59,200
brothers

3713
02:41:03,670 --> 02:41:01,120
you know and then you get before that

3714
02:41:06,550 --> 02:41:03,680
you get before the balloons in paris

3715
02:41:08,550 --> 02:41:06,560
right and the balloon technology that

3716
02:41:12,070 --> 02:41:08,560
was happening in the 1850s

3717
02:41:13,269 --> 02:41:12,080
go go before all of that and yours you

3718
02:41:15,750 --> 02:41:13,279
have things siding

3719
02:41:16,870 --> 02:41:15,760
in the sky the only things that were in

3720
02:41:20,230 --> 02:41:16,880
the sky

3721
02:41:22,870 --> 02:41:20,240
before that were birds

3722
02:41:23,990 --> 02:41:22,880
right there right that's what i find

3723
02:41:26,389 --> 02:41:24,000
funny

3724
02:41:27,750 --> 02:41:26,399
i was face to face with one when i was

3725
02:41:29,910 --> 02:41:27,760
three years old

3726
02:41:30,870 --> 02:41:29,920
willow avenue niagara falls my father

3727
02:41:34,469 --> 02:41:30,880
left for work

3728
02:41:35,910 --> 02:41:34,479
he worked midnight at nabisco i was face

3729
02:41:36,710 --> 02:41:35,920
to face with one i come out of my

3730
02:41:38,630 --> 02:41:36,720
bedroom

3731
02:41:39,750 --> 02:41:38,640
i walked out my door and it was two feet

3732
02:41:42,309 --> 02:41:39,760
from me

3733
02:41:45,030 --> 02:41:42,319
it had bright orange eyes it was black

3734
02:41:45,910 --> 02:41:45,040
as cloaked black it was a little taller

3735
02:41:47,510 --> 02:41:45,920
than me and

3736
02:41:49,830 --> 02:41:47,520
the only way i can describe it was like

3737
02:41:51,830 --> 02:41:49,840
an ant or a panther that was standing on

3738
02:41:54,230 --> 02:41:51,840
two legs

3739
02:41:55,110 --> 02:41:54,240
wow that was my first one that was the

3740
02:41:58,309 --> 02:41:55,120
first time

3741
02:42:00,469 --> 02:41:58,319
i ran i got scared and i ran back into

3742
02:42:01,590 --> 02:42:00,479
my bedroom and went to sleep don't

3743
02:42:03,750 --> 02:42:01,600
remember anything

3744
02:42:05,670 --> 02:42:03,760
i've had some pretty wild stuff go on in

3745
02:42:07,830 --> 02:42:05,680
between that period and when i saw him

3746
02:42:10,389 --> 02:42:07,840
the last time in 2011.

3747
02:42:12,790 --> 02:42:10,399
face to face again he was probably about

3748
02:42:16,230 --> 02:42:12,800
six feet from me the second time

3749
02:42:20,309 --> 02:42:16,240
eyes never blinked once the um

3750
02:42:23,030 --> 02:42:20,319
the report my disclosure yeah exactly

3751
02:42:24,150 --> 02:42:23,040
uh i didn't get into this too much with

3752
02:42:25,990 --> 02:42:24,160
peter tonight

3753
02:42:27,990 --> 02:42:26,000
um and i meant to there was just too

3754
02:42:31,030 --> 02:42:28,000
many things to talk about but

3755
02:42:34,230 --> 02:42:31,040
there are uh clusters

3756
02:42:34,950 --> 02:42:34,240
of areas around the united states where

3757
02:42:38,469 --> 02:42:34,960
things

3758
02:42:41,590 --> 02:42:38,479
uh get cited a lot and you have a lot

3759
02:42:45,590 --> 02:42:41,600
in washington and oregon

3760
02:42:49,190 --> 02:42:45,600
and new mexico arizona

3761
02:42:52,790 --> 02:42:49,200
a lot but those aren't around big cities

3762
02:42:56,710 --> 02:42:52,800
and then you don't have nearly anything

3763
02:42:59,830 --> 02:42:56,720
over los angeles but new york

3764
02:43:00,790 --> 02:42:59,840
new york state new york city all the way

3765
02:43:02,469 --> 02:43:00,800
up the coast

3766
02:43:04,630 --> 02:43:02,479
you know obviously through the hudson

3767
02:43:08,389 --> 02:43:04,640
valley but all the way

3768
02:43:10,710 --> 02:43:08,399
up to the great lakes new york

3769
02:43:12,309 --> 02:43:10,720
has got just about as many sightings as

3770
02:43:14,309 --> 02:43:12,319
any place on the planet

3771
02:43:17,750 --> 02:43:14,319
something is going on in new york state

3772
02:43:19,750 --> 02:43:17,760
there's just no question about it

3773
02:43:22,389 --> 02:43:19,760
can i tell you what i believe what do

3774
02:43:24,950 --> 02:43:22,399
you believe i i can i can i can back up

3775
02:43:27,990 --> 02:43:24,960
everything i'm saying

3776
02:43:29,190 --> 02:43:28,000
by having you meet somebody but i

3777
02:43:31,269 --> 02:43:29,200
believe

3778
02:43:33,030 --> 02:43:31,279
somehow someway my grandmother couldn't

3779
02:43:34,230 --> 02:43:33,040
have children wasn't supposed to never

3780
02:43:36,469 --> 02:43:34,240
have children

3781
02:43:38,710 --> 02:43:36,479
there was that ufo sightings here back

3782
02:43:40,389 --> 02:43:38,720
in 1945 and then my grandmother

3783
02:43:43,030 --> 02:43:40,399
conceived my mother

3784
02:43:45,910 --> 02:43:43,040
okay fast forward to when i seen it in

3785
02:43:49,510 --> 02:43:45,920
1968 when i was three years old

3786
02:43:51,910 --> 02:43:49,520
looking back now at what i know

3787
02:43:53,750 --> 02:43:51,920
i think they were there that night to

3788
02:43:54,790 --> 02:43:53,760
either check on my mother who was

3789
02:43:59,830 --> 02:43:54,800
pregnant with my

3790
02:44:01,670 --> 02:43:59,840
brother who was born in july of 68

3791
02:44:04,230 --> 02:44:01,680
and maybe they come to check on me too

3792
02:44:07,830 --> 02:44:04,240
to see how i was doing i don't know

3793
02:44:10,710 --> 02:44:07,840
uh fast forward to

3794
02:44:12,309 --> 02:44:10,720
96 i have a son i i was with a girl that

3795
02:44:13,110 --> 02:44:12,319
wasn't ever supposed to be able to have

3796
02:44:16,309 --> 02:44:13,120
children

3797
02:44:18,469 --> 02:44:16,319
i was with her twice

3798
02:44:20,070 --> 02:44:18,479
two days before i was with her i had an

3799
02:44:21,910 --> 02:44:20,080
experience in my apartment

3800
02:44:24,710 --> 02:44:21,920
where my body was locked up i couldn't

3801
02:44:27,910 --> 02:44:24,720
move i could hear people all around me

3802
02:44:29,429 --> 02:44:27,920
and and then i just went back to sleep

3803
02:44:29,750 --> 02:44:29,439
and that was it didn't think nothing of

3804
02:44:33,110 --> 02:44:29,760
it

3805
02:44:34,790 --> 02:44:33,120
previously because she dated

3806
02:44:36,790 --> 02:44:34,800
friends years and years ago if i knew

3807
02:44:38,950 --> 02:44:36,800
her and i went to school with her

3808
02:44:39,910 --> 02:44:38,960
and we have we have a son today and i

3809
02:44:41,190 --> 02:44:39,920
know i don't even know i should be

3810
02:44:42,550 --> 02:44:41,200
telling you this on the radio but we

3811
02:44:43,910 --> 02:44:42,560
have a son today

3812
02:44:46,309 --> 02:44:43,920
she's never been able to have a child

3813
02:44:48,389 --> 02:44:46,319
again which is why i believe

3814
02:44:50,150 --> 02:44:48,399
they helped my grandmother get pregnant

3815
02:44:52,150 --> 02:44:50,160
also it's something

3816
02:44:53,429 --> 02:44:52,160
and i don't have any other reason why

3817
02:44:55,110 --> 02:44:53,439
they would even bother with me because

3818
02:44:57,670 --> 02:44:55,120
i'm no one special

3819
02:44:58,309 --> 02:44:57,680
you know that's truck driver well yeah

3820
02:45:01,429 --> 02:44:58,319
but

3821
02:45:04,710 --> 02:45:01,439
uh you know you know steve you have

3822
02:45:08,070 --> 02:45:04,720
heard uh other uh

3823
02:45:10,389 --> 02:45:08,080
contactees with the same

3824
02:45:12,150 --> 02:45:10,399
not exactly the same obviously but with

3825
02:45:15,190 --> 02:45:12,160
the same

3826
02:45:18,790 --> 02:45:15,200
feeling that it is

3827
02:45:21,990 --> 02:45:18,800
a contact that has been lifelong

3828
02:45:23,510 --> 02:45:22,000
with their family it's not necessarily

3829
02:45:25,990 --> 02:45:23,520
them as an individual

3830
02:45:27,510 --> 02:45:26,000
and you've heard you know you've heard

3831
02:45:30,630 --> 02:45:27,520
this over and over again

3832
02:45:31,990 --> 02:45:30,640
i certainly have um i don't have the

3833
02:45:34,710 --> 02:45:32,000
personal experience

3834
02:45:36,230 --> 02:45:34,720
with this that that others do so i can't

3835
02:45:38,950 --> 02:45:36,240
speak about this

3836
02:45:41,030 --> 02:45:38,960
uh directly but i have certainly

3837
02:45:42,870 --> 02:45:41,040
interviewed and spoken with

3838
02:45:44,309 --> 02:45:42,880
multiple people with the same type of

3839
02:45:46,389 --> 02:45:44,319
stories where they're saying

3840
02:45:47,670 --> 02:45:46,399
look man it was my grandmother then it

3841
02:45:49,670 --> 02:45:47,680
was my dad

3842
02:45:51,830 --> 02:45:49,680
then it was me they helped you and they

3843
02:45:52,389 --> 02:45:51,840
helped us they helped me i just i know

3844
02:45:55,190 --> 02:45:52,399
they did

3845
02:45:56,309 --> 02:45:55,200
yeah i think i always beans whoever they

3846
02:45:58,950 --> 02:45:56,319
are if they're

3847
02:45:59,590 --> 02:45:58,960
whatever they are i feel like i owe them

3848
02:46:02,150 --> 02:45:59,600
everything

3849
02:46:04,710 --> 02:46:02,160
i really do well uh put your report

3850
02:46:11,030 --> 02:46:04,720
together for 1995 and get back to me man

3851
02:46:12,950 --> 02:46:11,040
i'd like to know 1945 did i say 95

3852
02:46:16,070 --> 02:46:12,960
95 you did that's all right i'll go with

3853
02:46:19,830 --> 02:46:16,080
it 1945 in new york

3854
02:46:21,750 --> 02:46:19,840
yeah yeah and uh and let me know

3855
02:46:23,429 --> 02:46:21,760
i got a picture my son took i wasn't

3856
02:46:25,349 --> 02:46:23,439
home but we gotta have it he's got a

3857
02:46:26,230 --> 02:46:25,359
picture he took with an lg phone a cheap

3858
02:46:27,750 --> 02:46:26,240
one

3859
02:46:29,670 --> 02:46:27,760
over our neighbor's house just sitting

3860
02:46:31,990 --> 02:46:29,680
there idling i'll send it to you through

3861
02:46:34,309 --> 02:46:32,000
uh through twitter yeah send it to me

3862
02:46:38,630 --> 02:46:34,319
what's your name on twitter

3863
02:46:40,950 --> 02:46:38,640
ah what is my handle oh my god

3864
02:46:42,389 --> 02:46:40,960
you'll see me on there i'll have a uh

3865
02:46:45,190 --> 02:46:42,399
make america

3866
02:46:46,230 --> 02:46:45,200
uh add on one of trump's hats on that's

3867
02:46:49,349 --> 02:46:46,240
everywhere

3868
02:46:52,469 --> 02:46:49,359
every one of my twitter followers right

3869
02:46:55,990 --> 02:46:52,479
i used to be i used to be dice man

3870
02:46:58,790 --> 02:46:56,000
um i think i'm king clay on there now

3871
02:47:00,150 --> 02:46:58,800
king clay king clay yeah because i used

3872
02:47:01,349 --> 02:47:00,160
to drive dump truck and i hoped the

3873
02:47:03,910 --> 02:47:01,359
heaviest load

3874
02:47:04,870 --> 02:47:03,920
on a tri-axle mac when we were uh laying

3875
02:47:06,710 --> 02:47:04,880
the base for the c

3876
02:47:08,950 --> 02:47:06,720
for the landfill up here in the falls

3877
02:47:11,670 --> 02:47:08,960
and i hauled like 30 ton on a tri-axle

3878
02:47:13,990 --> 02:47:11,680
max so they gave me the handle king clay

3879
02:47:14,790 --> 02:47:14,000
they're [\h__\h] like all right man i'll

3880
02:47:16,950 --> 02:47:14,800
look forward

3881
02:47:18,389 --> 02:47:16,960
okay you'll know when you see it it'll

3882
02:47:20,790 --> 02:47:18,399
be it'll the sky was blue

3883
02:47:23,030 --> 02:47:20,800
and you'll you'll see it and and we had

3884
02:47:25,110 --> 02:47:23,040
that ufo eight years before

3885
02:47:26,550 --> 02:47:25,120
fly right over our house about maybe two

3886
02:47:30,469 --> 02:47:26,560
thousand feet above us

3887
02:47:32,309 --> 02:47:30,479
and it was big thank you so much steve

3888
02:47:35,190 --> 02:47:32,319
and uh good night buddy thanks for

3889
02:47:38,630 --> 02:47:35,200
taking my call go back lee tappy

3890
02:47:41,269 --> 02:47:38,640
you too bye-bye bye the uh

3891
02:47:42,870 --> 02:47:41,279
uh the the the amount of sightings seven

3892
02:47:43,510 --> 02:47:42,880
four seven two two eight two zero five

3893
02:47:46,550 --> 02:47:43,520
one

3894
02:47:50,309 --> 02:47:46,560
the number of sightings over

3895
02:47:53,510 --> 02:47:50,319
new york i you know and it

3896
02:47:55,510 --> 02:47:53,520
also there were a couple of uh pretty

3897
02:47:56,790 --> 02:47:55,520
major things that happened in new york

3898
02:48:01,190 --> 02:47:56,800
city

3899
02:48:04,550 --> 02:48:01,200
but i keep going back to john lennon

3900
02:48:05,110 --> 02:48:04,560
and what now and and what he saw from

3901
02:48:08,230 --> 02:48:05,120
the top

3902
02:48:09,670 --> 02:48:08,240
of that building in new york that is one

3903
02:48:12,150 --> 02:48:09,680
of the craziest

3904
02:48:13,910 --> 02:48:12,160
uh ufo eyewitness stories ever and it's

3905
02:48:17,830 --> 02:48:13,920
from john lennon and it's

3906
02:48:21,190 --> 02:48:17,840
in new york city not outside

3907
02:48:25,750 --> 02:48:21,200
not not in new jersey not upstate

3908
02:48:28,950 --> 02:48:25,760
new it's not outside of rochester

3909
02:48:30,389 --> 02:48:28,960
no it's not a pick kipc it's in

3910
02:48:33,110 --> 02:48:30,399
manhattan

3911
02:48:34,630 --> 02:48:33,120
that is a crazy sighting uh for sure

3912
02:48:36,630 --> 02:48:34,640
something's going on

3913
02:48:37,910 --> 02:48:36,640
in new york and uh thank you for that

3914
02:48:43,429 --> 02:48:37,920
phone call steve

3915
02:48:46,710 --> 02:48:43,439
uh 747-228-2051

3916
02:48:48,309 --> 02:48:46,720
let me check this okay we're good um

3917
02:48:50,550 --> 02:48:48,319
seven four seven two two eight two zero

3918
02:48:53,190 --> 02:48:50,560
five one going back to

3919
02:48:54,710 --> 02:48:53,200
um i i didn't want to do this earlier i

3920
02:48:55,990 --> 02:48:54,720
actually got the time to go through some

3921
02:48:59,110 --> 02:48:56,000
of this now

3922
02:49:01,349 --> 02:48:59,120
this is uh uh peter's report list right

3923
02:49:02,469 --> 02:49:01,359
and and i'm going through this and it's

3924
02:49:05,429 --> 02:49:02,479
it's it's

3925
02:49:06,150 --> 02:49:05,439
i don't know how many pages eight pages

3926
02:49:09,670 --> 02:49:06,160
hundreds

3927
02:49:12,790 --> 02:49:09,680
of reports right but there is some crazy

3928
02:49:16,550 --> 02:49:12,800
stuff in here crazy like

3929
02:49:19,349 --> 02:49:16,560
uh and and i i went through

3930
02:49:20,550 --> 02:49:19,359
uh to get to some of the more modern

3931
02:49:23,190 --> 02:49:20,560
stuff

3932
02:49:26,070 --> 02:49:23,200
and this is kensington new hampshire

3933
02:49:27,990 --> 02:49:26,080
september 3rd 1965

3934
02:49:29,110 --> 02:49:28,000
many people in southeastern new

3935
02:49:32,550 --> 02:49:29,120
hampshire witness

3936
02:49:34,309 --> 02:49:32,560
a peculiar disc shape object

3937
02:49:35,990 --> 02:49:34,319
later a young man and two police

3938
02:49:39,910 --> 02:49:36,000
officers witnessed the disc

3939
02:49:41,389 --> 02:49:39,920
up close and it moves quickly um

3940
02:49:46,309 --> 02:49:41,399
september

3941
02:49:49,429 --> 02:49:46,319
1994 northern california

3942
02:49:49,670 --> 02:49:49,439
september 9th multiple dramatic reports

3943
02:49:53,030 --> 02:49:49,680
of

3944
02:49:57,030 --> 02:49:53,040
objects streaking across the morning sky

3945
02:50:00,469 --> 02:49:57,040
a young school school girl reports to

3946
02:50:04,070 --> 02:50:00,479
the school nurse being approached

3947
02:50:07,429 --> 02:50:04,080
at a bus stop by a strange

3948
02:50:10,550 --> 02:50:07,439
diminutive gray creature

3949
02:50:12,150 --> 02:50:10,560
it's just palouse washington december

3950
02:50:15,110 --> 02:50:12,160
29th 1994

3951
02:50:16,309 --> 02:50:15,120
a woman describes a shortcut home

3952
02:50:18,950 --> 02:50:16,319
through a wheat field

3953
02:50:20,309 --> 02:50:18,960
three wedge-shaped objects with lights

3954
02:50:23,910 --> 02:50:20,319
on their leading edge

3955
02:50:30,150 --> 02:50:28,070
mcminnville tennessee 1995 january 7th

3956
02:50:32,030 --> 02:50:30,160
multiple witnesses on the ground report

3957
02:50:34,790 --> 02:50:32,040
a fleet of

3958
02:50:35,990 --> 02:50:34,800
peculiar-looking objects allegedly seen

3959
02:50:37,830 --> 02:50:36,000
descending slowly

3960
02:50:41,269 --> 02:50:37,840
and vertically one of the objects

3961
02:50:44,630 --> 02:50:41,279
appears to blow up

3962
02:50:46,950 --> 02:50:44,640
and that's in the evening just just one

3963
02:50:48,790 --> 02:50:46,960
i i could just do this like i said i

3964
02:50:51,830 --> 02:50:48,800
could do this for days

3965
02:50:54,070 --> 02:50:51,840
eastern united states march 15 1995

3966
02:50:56,070 --> 02:50:54,080
multiple sightings reported from the

3967
02:50:56,950 --> 02:50:56,080
eastern united states a bizarre

3968
02:51:00,389 --> 02:50:56,960
blue-green

3969
02:51:01,349 --> 02:51:00,399
egg-shaped object that streaked across

3970
02:51:03,830 --> 02:51:01,359
the night sky

3971
02:51:05,190 --> 02:51:03,840
hovered and then streaked across the

3972
02:51:08,230 --> 02:51:05,200
horizon

3973
02:51:11,590 --> 02:51:08,240
multiple witnesses just just

3974
02:51:14,230 --> 02:51:11,600
one report after another and and can you

3975
02:51:18,389 --> 02:51:14,240
just imagine what peter goes through

3976
02:51:19,030 --> 02:51:18,399
all day long the national ufo reporting

3977
02:51:21,910 --> 02:51:19,040
center

3978
02:51:22,469 --> 02:51:21,920
and that hotline going off and taking

3979
02:51:24,790 --> 02:51:22,479
these

3980
02:51:26,230 --> 02:51:24,800
reports it's absolutely incredible let's

3981
02:51:29,190 --> 02:51:26,240
go back to the phones hi you're live on

3982
02:51:31,990 --> 02:51:29,200
fade to black who's calling

3983
02:51:34,230 --> 02:51:32,000
hey jimmy it's call this is paul paul

3984
02:51:36,469 --> 02:51:34,240
where are you calling from

3985
02:51:37,750 --> 02:51:36,479
uh detroit michigan a little bit south

3986
02:51:38,870 --> 02:51:37,760
of detroit in this year i've called a

3987
02:51:41,510 --> 02:51:38,880
few times how you doing

3988
02:51:42,309 --> 02:51:41,520
i'm doing good paul south of detroit

3989
02:51:46,950 --> 02:51:42,319
what is that

3990
02:51:48,630 --> 02:51:46,960
indiana i'm just kidding paul

3991
02:51:50,070 --> 02:51:48,640
you know still like here we talked about

3992
02:51:52,550 --> 02:51:50,080
you before uh

3993
02:51:55,110 --> 02:51:52,560
i love peter good guy you know um i've

3994
02:51:56,790 --> 02:51:55,120
always been a fan of both of you guys um

3995
02:51:58,830 --> 02:51:56,800
and to touch on what he was talking

3996
02:52:00,230 --> 02:51:58,840
about today he hit the nail on the

3997
02:52:02,870 --> 02:52:00,240
coffin

3998
02:52:04,550 --> 02:52:02,880
i was a rich guy jimmy you and me we

3999
02:52:06,150 --> 02:52:04,560
would be i talked to you about guam

4000
02:52:07,990 --> 02:52:06,160
before in hawaii you and me

4001
02:52:10,469 --> 02:52:08,000
and peter would be on a plane first

4002
02:52:13,030 --> 02:52:10,479
class to meet to hawaii and

4003
02:52:14,870 --> 02:52:13,040
guam because i told you about how they

4004
02:52:16,230 --> 02:52:14,880
had the abandoned space station i've

4005
02:52:17,590 --> 02:52:16,240
heard this fog because i lived there

4006
02:52:19,269 --> 02:52:17,600
three and a half years

4007
02:52:20,790 --> 02:52:19,279
they were doing the same kind of

4008
02:52:23,030 --> 02:52:20,800
technology

4009
02:52:23,830 --> 02:52:23,040
that peter was describing tonight about

4010
02:52:26,469 --> 02:52:23,840
oh

4011
02:52:27,750 --> 02:52:26,479
because even me okay if anybody has an

4012
02:52:30,230 --> 02:52:27,760
army before but even me

4013
02:52:32,309 --> 02:52:30,240
let's say i'm the most not a skeptic i

4014
02:52:34,630 --> 02:52:32,319
don't believe in ufos at all but even

4015
02:52:35,750 --> 02:52:34,640
the most dire schedule this is where i'm

4016
02:52:38,710 --> 02:52:35,760
going with this

4017
02:52:39,750 --> 02:52:38,720
what would as far back as 1950 nasa and

4018
02:52:42,630 --> 02:52:39,760
the navy

4019
02:52:43,429 --> 02:52:42,640
be doing was huge towers in hawaii and

4020
02:52:46,870 --> 02:52:43,439
guam

4021
02:52:48,790 --> 02:52:46,880
i told you at 90. we could go up

4022
02:52:50,710 --> 02:52:48,800
if we could fly to guam tomorrow and you

4023
02:52:52,630 --> 02:52:50,720
could see them i could show them to you

4024
02:52:54,309 --> 02:52:52,640
but um they just hit the nail on the

4025
02:52:56,070 --> 02:52:54,319
coffin with what i was telling you about

4026
02:52:57,110 --> 02:52:56,080
that same kind of technology you don't

4027
02:53:00,469 --> 02:52:57,120
need

4028
02:53:01,830 --> 02:53:00,479
the huge um you know the huge billion

4029
02:53:04,230 --> 02:53:01,840
dollars like whatever

4030
02:53:06,070 --> 02:53:04,240
they used to listen to this is simple

4031
02:53:07,269 --> 02:53:06,080
technology that peter was talking about

4032
02:53:09,830 --> 02:53:07,279
you know uh list

4033
02:53:11,349 --> 02:53:09,840
radios and cameras seeing what's in our

4034
02:53:12,950 --> 02:53:11,359
atmosphere and that's the same as that

4035
02:53:15,190 --> 02:53:12,960
story i heard from

4036
02:53:17,190 --> 02:53:15,200
many locals that have been working on

4037
02:53:17,830 --> 02:53:17,200
these bases the navy base who got the

4038
02:53:20,950 --> 02:53:17,840
anderson

4039
02:53:22,870 --> 02:53:20,960
air force base and guam for years and we

4040
02:53:25,030 --> 02:53:22,880
met guys from sarida um

4041
02:53:26,950 --> 02:53:25,040
in guam too a lot of them wanted us to

4042
02:53:27,990 --> 02:53:26,960
use our laptops to help them listen to

4043
02:53:29,590 --> 02:53:28,000
the space

4044
02:53:31,349 --> 02:53:29,600
some of my friends actually did it i

4045
02:53:31,990 --> 02:53:31,359
might i didn't have a good enough laptop

4046
02:53:34,710 --> 02:53:32,000
but uh

4047
02:53:37,190 --> 02:53:34,720
this will help them listen use them to

4048
02:53:39,349 --> 02:53:37,200
our computers and radio waves

4049
02:53:41,110 --> 02:53:39,359
while we were living in guam and some of

4050
02:53:41,910 --> 02:53:41,120
my buddies helped him up and it's a cool

4051
02:53:44,389 --> 02:53:41,920
program

4052
02:53:46,710 --> 02:53:44,399
well what do you think jim thanks for

4053
02:53:50,389 --> 02:53:46,720
taking my call yeah yeah thank you paul

4054
02:53:51,590 --> 02:53:50,399
i i agree with with you and i agree with

4055
02:53:54,950 --> 02:53:51,600
peter

4056
02:53:58,309 --> 02:53:54,960
we have a massive

4057
02:54:02,870 --> 02:53:58,319
infrastructure and that's that's

4058
02:54:06,230 --> 02:54:02,880
sitting there and as more and more

4059
02:54:10,309 --> 02:54:06,240
time passes where we are

4060
02:54:13,269 --> 02:54:10,319
uh moving our entertainment and

4061
02:54:13,750 --> 02:54:13,279
and radio and television transmissions

4062
02:54:17,510 --> 02:54:13,760
uh

4063
02:54:19,349 --> 02:54:17,520
to to cable when i say cable yeah cable

4064
02:54:20,309 --> 02:54:19,359
tv i'm just talking about cable in

4065
02:54:23,750 --> 02:54:20,319
general

4066
02:54:26,550 --> 02:54:23,760
on to the internet where less and less

4067
02:54:28,710 --> 02:54:26,560
of the transmissions are used and

4068
02:54:32,150 --> 02:54:28,720
utilized in homes

4069
02:54:35,670 --> 02:54:32,160
and cars through

4070
02:54:39,429 --> 02:54:35,680
radio signals and television signals and

4071
02:54:42,309 --> 02:54:39,439
so those uh

4072
02:54:43,910 --> 02:54:42,319
those how do i say this those hardware

4073
02:54:47,190 --> 02:54:43,920
installations

4074
02:54:48,150 --> 02:54:47,200
you have to remember that up until just

4075
02:54:50,150 --> 02:54:48,160
recently

4076
02:54:52,230 --> 02:54:50,160
they were built all across the united

4077
02:54:53,750 --> 02:54:52,240
states and canada and mexico

4078
02:54:56,750 --> 02:54:53,760
and talking about guam all the way out

4079
02:54:59,670 --> 02:54:56,760
to guam in hawaii and all of the islands

4080
02:55:01,429 --> 02:54:59,680
everything has got an installation on it

4081
02:55:04,550 --> 02:55:01,439
for broadcast

4082
02:55:05,349 --> 02:55:04,560
it is there we have the ability to tie

4083
02:55:07,670 --> 02:55:05,359
it all together

4084
02:55:08,630 --> 02:55:07,680
and the infrastructure when i say tie it

4085
02:55:11,190 --> 02:55:08,640
all together

4086
02:55:12,469 --> 02:55:11,200
for data collection the infrastructure

4087
02:55:15,990 --> 02:55:12,479
of tying it all together

4088
02:55:19,269 --> 02:55:16,000
is already there with the internet

4089
02:55:20,550 --> 02:55:19,279
and and computers are probably already

4090
02:55:23,349 --> 02:55:20,560
installed

4091
02:55:24,710 --> 02:55:23,359
at each location all the way across

4092
02:55:27,750 --> 02:55:24,720
north america

4093
02:55:28,150 --> 02:55:27,760
so we have the ability cheaply to just

4094
02:55:30,550 --> 02:55:28,160
go

4095
02:55:32,469 --> 02:55:30,560
write the software get it installed and

4096
02:55:33,349 --> 02:55:32,479
start looking at the skies in a passive

4097
02:55:37,750 --> 02:55:33,359
way

4098
02:55:41,030 --> 02:55:37,760
it just makes sense and the ability to

4099
02:55:44,469 --> 02:55:41,040
to triangulate for altitude

4100
02:55:46,230 --> 02:55:44,479
for position and for speed

4101
02:55:47,830 --> 02:55:46,240
right so you can lock down on these

4102
02:55:50,070 --> 02:55:47,840
objects individually

4103
02:55:51,590 --> 02:55:50,080
immediately right there at the speed of

4104
02:55:53,590 --> 02:55:51,600
light you can find it

4105
02:55:55,269 --> 02:55:53,600
and then you turn around and cross

4106
02:55:58,230 --> 02:55:55,279
reference that data

4107
02:56:00,550 --> 02:55:58,240
with known flight tracking software of

4108
02:56:03,750 --> 02:56:00,560
which there's a ton of that

4109
02:56:05,349 --> 02:56:03,760
a ton of it both private and public

4110
02:56:07,670 --> 02:56:05,359
that are out there and you can find out

4111
02:56:09,990 --> 02:56:07,680
if it's a military or civilian aircraft

4112
02:56:10,710 --> 02:56:10,000
you can probably through the data

4113
02:56:13,190 --> 02:56:10,720
collection

4114
02:56:15,110 --> 02:56:13,200
find out with the passive radar the size

4115
02:56:19,030 --> 02:56:15,120
of the object and just like

4116
02:56:23,429 --> 02:56:19,040
peter said very important maybe even the

4117
02:56:25,590 --> 02:56:23,439
makeup of the object what it's made of

4118
02:56:26,870 --> 02:56:25,600
right what the surface is like all of

4119
02:56:29,590 --> 02:56:26,880
this is right there

4120
02:56:29,910 --> 02:56:29,600
peter's absolutely correct and he has

4121
02:56:33,910 --> 02:56:29,920
been

4122
02:56:36,630 --> 02:56:33,920
on uh on this since 1995

4123
02:56:38,630 --> 02:56:36,640
with a little movement but not enough

4124
02:56:41,269 --> 02:56:38,640
and it seems simple

4125
02:56:42,150 --> 02:56:41,279
some some guy and and paul thank you for

4126
02:56:44,790 --> 02:56:42,160
the phone call

4127
02:56:47,030 --> 02:56:44,800
and uh it's just uh a great point that

4128
02:56:49,429 --> 02:56:47,040
peter made tonight and go back lee tapi

4129
02:56:51,429 --> 02:56:49,439
thank you so much that's paul from uh

4130
02:56:54,710 --> 02:56:51,439
just south of detroit

4131
02:56:57,429 --> 02:56:54,720
is that you would think that there is

4132
02:56:58,630 --> 02:56:57,439
somebody in silicon valley right now

4133
02:57:01,750 --> 02:56:58,640
that is just

4134
02:57:04,950 --> 02:57:01,760
uh uh sitting there with the

4135
02:57:07,670 --> 02:57:04,960
with the necessary funds and

4136
02:57:08,070 --> 02:57:07,680
a software engineer and a staff that can

4137
02:57:11,269 --> 02:57:08,080
go

4138
02:57:12,630 --> 02:57:11,279
and bang this code out and just just get

4139
02:57:15,750 --> 02:57:12,640
it done

4140
02:57:18,309 --> 02:57:15,760
i i i just don't understand why it isn't

4141
02:57:18,950 --> 02:57:18,319
it isn't happening right and it would

4142
02:57:22,309 --> 02:57:18,960
also

4143
02:57:25,510 --> 02:57:22,319
uh uh you know it could be utilized

4144
02:57:29,269 --> 02:57:25,520
for safety measures two as well

4145
02:57:32,550 --> 02:57:29,279
it wouldn't have to necessarily be uh

4146
02:57:35,990 --> 02:57:32,560
uh only used for looking for

4147
02:57:39,670 --> 02:57:36,000
ufos and unidentified things in the sky

4148
02:57:42,710 --> 02:57:39,680
but uh other things right the safety of

4149
02:57:45,510 --> 02:57:42,720
other other planes that are out there

4150
02:57:46,710 --> 02:57:45,520
uh drones that are being flown in an

4151
02:57:50,790 --> 02:57:46,720
unsafe manner

4152
02:57:53,910 --> 02:57:50,800
right uh dudes in a jet pack

4153
02:57:55,750 --> 02:57:53,920
over lax but all of these things

4154
02:57:57,269 --> 02:57:55,760
could be applied with this but the

4155
02:57:59,990 --> 02:57:57,279
infrastructure is there

4156
02:58:00,710 --> 02:58:00,000
peter is absolutely right well this was

4157
02:58:03,990 --> 02:58:00,720
night one

4158
02:58:07,750 --> 02:58:04,000
of our ufo week tomorrow night right

4159
02:58:09,750 --> 02:58:07,760
here alejandro rojas from open minds

4160
02:58:11,190 --> 02:58:09,760
is is going to be here and tomorrow

4161
02:58:14,230 --> 02:58:11,200
night uh

4162
02:58:17,429 --> 02:58:14,240
alejandro is going to speak

4163
02:58:20,630 --> 02:58:17,439
uh about ttsa

4164
02:58:24,389 --> 02:58:20,640
and their role that they are playing

4165
02:58:25,830 --> 02:58:24,399
right now uh in these days of disclosure

4166
02:58:28,389 --> 02:58:25,840
and we're gonna go through

4167
02:58:30,790 --> 02:58:28,399
all of it tomorrow night with uh

4168
02:58:32,309 --> 02:58:30,800
alejandro really looking forward to that

4169
02:58:35,269 --> 02:58:32,319
and then wednesday night right here

4170
02:58:38,630 --> 02:58:35,279
kevin estrella from pyramids on mars

4171
02:58:40,309 --> 02:58:38,640
and all of uh kevin's websites

4172
02:58:41,830 --> 02:58:40,319
if you're a guitar player you want to

4173
02:58:43,990 --> 02:58:41,840
take some lessons uh

4174
02:58:45,990 --> 02:58:44,000
we've got kevin's websites up there i

4175
02:58:48,389 --> 02:58:46,000
was going through them today actually

4176
02:58:50,070 --> 02:58:48,399
picking up a few licks and uh that'll be

4177
02:58:51,429 --> 02:58:50,080
wednesday night thursday night is

4178
02:58:54,150 --> 02:58:51,439
another fader night

4179
02:58:55,510 --> 02:58:54,160
with open lines all night long so it's

4180
02:58:59,670 --> 02:58:55,520
ufo week

4181
02:59:01,590 --> 02:58:59,680
all week this week on fade to black

4182
02:59:03,750 --> 02:59:01,600
fade to black's executive producers rita

4183
02:59:06,790 --> 02:59:03,760
kamarian show was produced by hilton j

4184
02:59:09,190 --> 02:59:06,800
palm renee dennis and kevin

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announcers are steve harder genevatoa

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mark d

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kovar webmaster is drew the geek music

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doug aldridge intro space

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boy spaceboymusic.com

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datablack is produced by kjcr for the

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game changer network

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syndication is kgra the planet

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this broadcast owned copyrighted 2020 by

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fade to black and the game changer

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it cannot be rebroadcast downloaded

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copied or used anywhere in the known

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universe

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without written permission from fade to

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block of the game changer network

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army host jimmy church follow me on

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twitter at j church

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radio i'll see everybody tomorrow night

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with alejandro rojas

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until then be safe